sleeper;1189500 wrote:Andre Johnson, hands down, not even close.

No shit. Just goes to show you how f'in stupid Yinzer "homers" are. Pittsburgh local was trying to argue that Wallace was better to Kirwin & Miller on XM this afternoon and Kirwin said "do you think a team would've signed Johnson to an offer sheet (1st round tender) after his 3rd season?" to which the Steeler fan said "yes." Kirwin then asked "why didn't anyone sign Wallace to an offer sheet?" to which the Steeler fan said "because Wallace isn't a 'name."

Phil Dawson saying he wants to stay with the Browns.

Minicamp pics....

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/pages/photogallery?gid=22028&gf=aggregate

BR1986FB;1189311 wrote:No problem. I'll post how many FG's Dawson made today for you later....

No not Dawson, his backup.

Pick6;1189423 wrote:Is Weeden's teammate from OSU doing anything at WR?

I have heard he has the best hands of the WR's so far. Catches everything thrown to him, downside was they didn't like his speed, slower than the rest of the wideouts

BR1986FB;1189492 wrote:Sooooo....better WR, Mike Wallace (Steelers) or Andre Johnson (Texans)?

Mike Wallace after the first 8 games of last season wasn't even the best WR on his team, let alone whole league. Talk about delusional. There's a reason other teams weren't beating his door to sign him to a RFA deal (ala 49ers). No doubt they would for Johnson, really a laughable argument.

Mr Miyagi;1189855 wrote:I have heard he has the best hands of the WR's so far. Catches everything thrown to him, downside was they didn't like his speed, slower than the rest of the wideouts

Judging by all the drops from last season, same could be said for danielson. Are team is the all feet team.

Mr Miyagi;1189855 wrote:I have heard he has the best hands of the WR's so far. Catches everything thrown to him, downside was they didn't like his speed, slower than the rest of the wideouts

I dont have a problem with speed if you are a reliable, tough wideout (see Wes Welker)

Sorry but believe it when I see it. http://cle.scout.com/2/1192320.html

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/49180/weeden-has-the-look-of-a-franchise-qb

http://networkedblogs.com/yra8e

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[h=1]Shurmur wants to name QB sooner rather than later[/h]

What is the choice here?

Sonofanump;1190617 wrote:Shurmur wants to name QB sooner rather than later



What is the choice here?

Just look at their pictures. Weeden is clearly a QB, while McCoy looks like a pop warner football player. God it's nice to finally have a REAL QB.

/iggy

[h=3]Why Browns liked Weeden over others[/h]12:05PM ET
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The Cleveland Browns took running back Trent Richardson with the third overall pick in the draft, despite being in position to trade up for Robert Griffin III or draft any other quarterback not named Andrew Luck. Instead, they waited to draft their next quarterback, Brandon Weeden, at 22. Why did they like Weeden better than the other options available to them? According to ESPNCleveland.com's Tony Grossi, they were focused on landing a big QB with a strong and accurate arm, and Weeden fit the bill.
"Great arm. Great size. Great production," Grossi said of Weeden. "And the very thing that scared off every other team -- he's a 28-year-old rookie because of a failed five-year stint in professional baseball -- actually became an attraction to the Browns."
Just as interesting as why they chose Weeden is why they didn't focus intently on the other first-round quarterback options or free agent Matt Flynn.
"Of the more realistic candidates, free agent Matt Flynn was no bigger than [Colt] McCoy with a similarly popgun arm. He was never seriously considered.
"Media darling Robert Griffin III also was too small. And too eager to show how fast he could run. The Browns never seemed all-in on Griffin. They pursued him just enough to say they tried.
"Ryan Tannehill had the size and the arm, but his maturity as a quarterback and field leader were so lacking that he turned them off in personal interviews. He didn't project as a leader."
Clearly there is a lot of pressure on Weeden to live up to the Browns' expectations quickly, but that pressure will quickly shift to the Browns' front office if Weeden fails to match the success of the other aforementioned QBs.
[RIGHT]- Tom Carpenter[/RIGHT]
Tags: Matt Flynn, Trent Richardson, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, Ryan Tannehill

[h=3]McCoy to the Rams?[/h]11:55AM ET
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After the Cleveland Browns drafted Brandon Weeden with their second first-round pick, there was much speculation that the club would trade incumbent starter Colt McCoy at some point on Day 2 or 3 of the draft process. That didn't happen, and McCoy has remained with the team since, through a number of OTA sessions. Nevertheless, Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal believes that a trade of McCoy is still possible prior to the start of the regular season.
Ryan Van Bibber of St. Louis Rams blog Turf Show Times considered the possibility of the Rams acquiring McCoy to serve as Sam Bradford's backup. Currently, Kellen Clemens occupies that role, and the scribe believes that Bradford's former rival from the college days would make for a better backup than Clemens.
The key consideration in comparing McCoy to Clemens is that the former has performed admirably at times as a starter, and could still improve, while the latter seems destined to be a career backup:
[RIGHT]- Tim Kavanagh[/RIGHT]
[h=5]Mike Sando[/h]The Rams' backup QB plan
[INDENT]"The Rams have bet bigger on their starting quarterback than any other team in the NFC West, committing $50 million in guarantees to Bradford as the first overall choice of the 2010 draft. Their 2012 season would lose purpose if a serious injury forced the Rams in another direction at the position. Backup Kellen Clemens played for new Rams offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer when both were with the New York Jets. Clemens' familiarity with the offense gives him an edge. But with a 4-8 starting record and a 7-12 career ratio of touchdowns to interceptions, the Jets' 2006 second-round choice projects as a backup."[/INDENT]

RGIII is too small now? Talk about media spin after failing to trade up.

I don't know about his height, but I really wasn't all in on RG3.

[h=2]Sheard gets familiar with system[/h]Posted 19 hours ago
By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer

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[h=3]Second-year Browns defensive lineman Jabaal Sheard appreciates the offseason time he has had to work with the coaches and his teammates.[/h] Sixteen starts, a team-leading 8.5 quarterback sacks and 55 total tackles.

All of those came from Cleveland Browns defensive end Jabaal Sheard without the benefit of an offseason due to a work-stoppage last spring. Now in his second year, Sheard has enjoyed the extra time working out with his teammates and learning the 4-3 defense from coordinator Dick Jauron during the offseason.

“I’m getting to know the plays more,” Sheard said. “Last year, at this time, I had no idea, no plays. I wasn’t in a minicamp. I went into camp and I had no idea what I was doing, so I got a grasp for it. I know more where I’m supposed to fit in this defense and am just learning.”

Sheard has already seen a difference in the way he and his teammates operate when they are on the field at practice or studying plays in the film room.
“I think we already bonded more,” Sheard said when comparing the team in his first two NFL seasons. “I feel like I know these guys well. We know each other; we know how each other plays and where each other’s going to fit. That’s a big part, when you’re on the field, knowing how somebody else plays and where they’re going to fit. You can feed right off of it.”

Sheard joined fellow first-year Browns lineman Phil Taylor and veteran Ahtyba Rubin on the line of scrimmage for all 16 games last year. Taylor and Sheard, All-Rookie Team selections by Pro Football Weekly/Pro Football Writers of America, were the first rookie tandem to start all 16 games together on a defensive line since the Tampa Bay Buccaneers accomplished the same feat in 1992.

Although Taylor is expected to miss part of the 2012 season with a pectoral injury, the Browns have no shortage of defensive linemen to use in the rotation.
Through this past April’s Draft, the Browns selected Cincinnati’s John Hughes in the third round and later used a sixth-round compensatory selection on Billy Winn from Boise State University.

“They’re both playing well,” Sheard said of Winn and Hughes. “They’re learning how to use their hands, but they’re getting the plays and they’re moving fast and they look like they can play. I’ve been talking to them. They get to know the plays and they’ve been getting extra work with Big Rubin after practice. I see them on the field and watching film and they look fast and I want to see them when the pads come on.”

In addition to the draft picks, the Browns added veteran defensive ends Juqua Parker and Frostee Rucker through free agency, something Sheard has enjoyed during the OTAs and minicamp.

“I’m very impressed,” Sheard said of the veteran presence of Rucker and Parker. “Those guys are talking in the film room on my things I’ve messed up on last year. They’re helping me on the field and off the field. I’m excited about how they can help me and how we can get a great rotation going.”




http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Sheard-gets-familiar-with-system/2d5e4a95-3e45-4513-894b-4460a231d0d1

Browns' Minicamp: Wednesday Report
		By [URL="javascript:location.href='http://search.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=4&c=1&search=1&sskey=%22' + author + '%22&sssiteid=149&type=2';"]Fred Greetham[/URL] OBR Senior Reporter Posted Jun 6, 2012 Pat Shurmur wants to name starting QB ‘Sooner than Later’ 0 Comments
BEREA&#8212at Shurmur said Wednesday before the second day of practice at Browns minicamp that he wants to name a starting quarterback “sooner than later.” It is presumed that Shurmur will name first-round draft choice Brandon Weeden the starter over Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace, as early as the start of training camp in late July. “Sooner rather than later, if we know who the guy is, we’ll make it happen,” Shurmur said. However, when Shurmur was offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach with the Rams, the Rams didn’t name Sam Bradford the starting quarterback until eight days before the first regular season game. Bradford, who was the first overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, was named the starter on Sept. 4, 2012 to face the Cardinals on Sept. 12. Bradford started all 16 games for the Rams as a rookie, completing 60 percent of his passes and throwing for 3,512 yards with 18 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. He had a quarterback rating of 76.5. Bradford didn’t start until the third preseason game of 2010 against the Patriots after A.J. Feeley was injured in the second preseason game, ironically, against the Browns. The Browns used the 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] overall pick in the first round on Weeden and being a 28-year old rookie, the Browns have implied they expect Weeden to be their starter, but have said there is open competition at the position. Weeden was asked if he felt like the starter after taking the first reps at the minicamp with the starters on the first two days of minicamp. “Not yet, just because nothing is formal,” Weeden said. “We’re still two months out until we play our first preseason game. No, not yet. I’m still working my tail off just to get better and keep learning.” Shurmur has been very complimentary of Weeden’s development thus far. “He’s shown me he knows how to play this game.” Shurmur said he has seen in Weeden what he was expecting. “I think we are seeing what we saw prior to drafting him and he is doing a good job of learning what we do,” Shurmur said. “How we call plays, progressions and what we ask him to do, I think he’s done a good job. No, it’s pretty much what we thought.” Weeden says he’s glad there’s time between now and training camp. “Being a rookie, I think you like this time to get comfortable with what you are doing,” Weeden said. “As a competitor and as a football player, you want to throw the pads on. Even though not so much for me because I don’t hit or I’m not getting hit in minicamp, I think anytime you see flying bullets from our position with pads on and all of the chaos is going on around you, you get more comfortable. I think that’s what gets you ready to play games.” Weeden said he does feel that he’s absorbing the offense. “Yeah, I’m getting more comfortable with what we are doing, but I still have a long ways to go,” Weeden said. “I think, like I said, the other guys have a lot more experience under their belts as far as game reps and practice reps, whatever it may be. I’ve got some catching up to do, so I think that’s just my main focus right now. I’m not worried about it. Like I said, we still have two months that I can continue to work.” Shurmur said the coaching staff is not holding anything back in terms of installing the offense. “I think philosophically you install the offense for all of the players and the benefit of the way we are doing it now is you are getting a chance to install it, add to it and then go back and repeat it,” Shurmur said. “I think he is like every other player on offense. There are things he has to learn and the more he hears it, the better he will get.” Notebook Rubin Stays: Shurmur said the coaches were not thinking of moving DL Ahtyba Rubin around with DL Phil Taylor injured. He also indicated that rookie DLs John Hughes and Billy Winn would battle with DL Scott Paxson for the starting job. “That’s why we drafted them,” Shurmur said. Pinkston Growth: Shurmur said that OL Jason Pinkston came into the off-season program in better shape and he is pleased with his progress. “I have seen a guy who is very focused, very detailed about his preparation,” Shurmur said. “He also, prior to the offseason program phase of things, did a nice job of getting himself in better shape than he was last year. I just see a guy who knows a little bit more about what he is doing and I think that will help him be better next fall.” http://cle.scout.com/2/1192665.html

[h=2]Ward back from injury[/h]Posted 21 hours ago
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[h=3]Browns safety T.J. Ward is healthy after missing the final eight games of the 2011 season with a foot injury.[/h] T.J. Ward is not one to sit on the sidelines.

Unfortunately, for the third-year Browns safety, that is exactly where he spent the final eight weeks of the 2011 season due to a foot injury he suffered in the team’s 30-12 loss at the Houston Texans inside Reliant Stadium on Nov. 6.

Despite the injury and premature ending to his 2011 campaign, Ward is back in Berea and has been working with the Browns during their organized team activities (OTAs) and will be on the field in this week’s three-day veteran minicamp.

“I’m feeling great, real anxious to get the season going,” Ward said. “I’m real excited about the things we’re going to do on defense as a whole.”

Missing the final eight games last year served as motivation for Ward during his rehabilitation process. Limited to exercise bike and stationary work, when Ward was given the go-ahead to resume full activities, he wasted little time.

“After I got healthy, I went straight to a trainer because I wanted to come back to offseason workouts ready to go,” Ward said. “Regardless of using the offseason workouts to get ready for the OTAs, I wanted to come back ready for workouts and just get into better shape for OTAs. I’ve been training hard.”
Now that he is back on the field, Ward has noticed some new faces in the huddle and the defensive meeting room.
Following the 2011 season, the Browns signed free agent defensive linemen Frostee Rucker and Juqua Parker in moves that added depth and more pass rushing ability to the team’s front seven.

The Browns also hired a new defensive backs coach, Tim Hauck. Hauck, who played for several teams in the NFL before becoming a coach, teamed with Browns cornerback Sheldon Brown during their time with the Philadelphia Eagles.

“I think they were two great additions,” Ward said of Parker and Rucker. “They’re both vets; they know the game. Frostee played in our division and I’ve heard a lot of good things about J.P. I know they’re going to contribute greatly. That’s one of the things we were lacking last year, a pass rush, and, against the run, we weren’t that stout. I know they’ll come and help right away.”

Ward credits Hauck with teaching him some of the finer points of being a safety in the 4-3 defense.

“In a 4-3, you’re a lot closer to the line of scrimmage, especially me being a strong safety,” Ward said. “There’s a lot more man-to-man coverage and there are different ways you have to approach every play because with the 3-4, you have four linebackers that mostly handle the run, so you don’t have to do too much. In the 4-3, you have to be ready for the run and the pass.”

He added, “This time is invaluable and we really get to see that by not having an offseason last year and just knowing how much we could’ve learned if we had one. It’s almost like learning a defense all over again, but learning more about it because you have more time. You get the specifics of it, instead of coming in at camp and you have to throw everything in and you have to game plan after that.”

HELPING OTHERS
As a safety on the field, Ward has grown accustomed to helping his teammates make the correct defensive calls and line up properly to execute their assignments. Off the field, Ward is doing his best to help those in need.

Later this week, Ward will take part in the 2012 Northeast Ohio Walk for the National Kidney Foundation.

“I got asked to do this a few weeks ago and I accepted it because my uncle (is on) dialysis,” Ward said. “I think that health is the most important thing and there are a lot of people that are unhealthy out there, whether it’s because of what they’ve done or they’ve just been unlucky to have that problem. I’m blessed to be healthy and I want to help others become healthy if I can. I think this is a great way to raise money for their foundation and help that problem.”

Ward will also host two football camps at the end of the month, the first on June 25 in Canton with Browns wide receiver Greg Little and then, five days later near his hometown of San Francisco, Calif.

“I just want to do something here and then, take it back to my home, where I get the opportunity to help them out too,” Ward said. “I think it’s important not only just to do things in the city you play in, but also do things at home too.”

ON A MISSION
Ward played his high school football at De La Salle in Concord, Calif. The Spartans set the United States High School record with a 151-game winning streak from 1992 through 2004. He also played college football for the Oregon Ducks, who were 10-3 in each of Ward’s final two seasons.

Ward plans on bringing those winning ways to the Browns this fall.

“I’m just working toward perfecting my position, perfecting this defense and helping this team win a championship; I think that’s what it’s all about,” Ward said.

“We have the players; we definitely have the talent; we have the coaching staff; we have everything. There are no excuses this year. Last year, we came out with a few losses and if we would’ve hit this or would’ve done that, we would’ve won. One play away, it’s all good; it’s all fine-and-dandy, but at the end of the day, we still got the ‘L.’ It’s time to stop all of the excuses and just win.”




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[h=1]Postcard from Browns minicamp[/h]June, 6, 2012Jun 6
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BEREA, Ohio -- Here are some impressions from my two-day visit to Browns' mandatory minicamp:

• The Browns' wide receiver position remains a glaring weakness. Too many dropped passes. More on this Thursday on the blog.
• When rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden is working with the second and third teams, his passes often go to undrafted rookie receiver Josh Cooper. Weeden and Cooper played at Oklahoma State. The undrafted receiver that stood out to me was Florida State's Bert Reed, who showed quickness.
• Cornerback Buster Skrine doesn't have to be perfect because he's so fast. Skrine got beat by Travis Benjamin, but his recovery speed allowed him to break up a well-thrown pass from Brandon Weeden.
• Free safety Eric Hagg, a seventh-round pick from a year ago, looks like the most improved player on the team. He's running with the first team, and he isn't close to losing that job by the way he's playing. Hagg is constantly around the ball. What helped him the most is the Browns didn't place him on injured reserve after he had arthroscopic surgery on his knee in August. That allowed him to contribute late in the season, which paved the way to an impressive offseason.
• If the season started today, I believe the Browns would go with rookie seventh-round pick Brad Smelley at fullback over Owen Marecic, a fourth-round pick from a year ago whose rookie season was marred by multiple concussions. That would give the Browns an all-Alabama backfield with Smelley and Trent Richardson.
• Colt McCoy showed again why the Browns looked for a strong-armed quarterback in the draft. He missed a wide-open receiver deep downfield because his pass floated too much and allowed a defensive back to bat it down.
• Still surprised to see cornerback Sheldon Brown working with the first-team defense. Head coach Pat Shurmur warned not to read into the current lineups, and I believe this falls into that category. I'm sticking by the cornerback tandem of Joe Haden and Dimitri Patterson starting in the season opener.
• Nose tackle Ahtyba Rubin is a big guy. But I would put money on him weighing more than his listed weight of 330 pounds. When he wasn't lining up for a drill or a play, he was one of the first to take a knee.
• File this under the "nice guys" category: When I was leaving the Browns facility Tuesday, there were a couple of boys waiting across the street from the parking lot who were looking to get their helmet and football signed. I was surprised by the number of Browns players who pulled their car over to give an autograph.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/49278/postcard-from-browns-minicamp

Good to hear about Ward, hope he stays healthy, we certaintly need him too. I also like what Shurmur said about Wynn and Hughes, "That's what we drafted them for". Glad he's not QQing and throwing his hands up in defeat about Taylor's injury. No excuses.

For those who haven't voted throw me a fucking bone http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/sho...(West-Bracket).

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You didn't vote for BR as well? What gives?

i voted for COA, BR, and Like_that and durk, everybody else can suck it. :thumbup:

shook_17;1191313 wrote:i voted for COA, BR, and Like_that

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Commander of Awesome;1191262 wrote:You didn't vote for BR as well? What gives?

whoops. I didn't even look. I just went straight to like_thats name and clicked :'(

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