Commander of Awesome;1172105 wrote:You can't rep same post twice, I've tried. Learn the rules.

I know the rules lol it was a joke about repping it again haha.

Pick6;1171844 wrote:I am not trying to change anything. What is your definition of better record? Obviously Weeden is more than likely going to start more games than TS. To my knowledge, TS is 4-3 as a starter. Thats a 57% winning percentage for those of us who have trouble figuring that out (eg, Footwedge). For Brandon Weeden to do better than that, he has to win over half of his games. I dont see whats confusing you guys. And I made the Browns stipulation, because who gives a shit what he does if he isnt playing for the Browns?

you said t smith would have a better record than brandon weeden. So put the money where your mouth is pick.

Y-Town Steelhound;1172029 wrote:You say that like it's an absolute fact. Look no further than Ben Roethlisberger (3rd QB of the 04 class) being better than Alex Smith (Top QB of 05 class). You also have Jay Cutler (3rd QB of the 06 class) compared to JaMarcus Russell (top QB of 07 class). Thus far you can also argue that Josh Freeman (3rd QB of 09 class) has been better (albeit mostly because of health) than Sam Bradford (top QB of 10 class).

Also of course a 2-14 will most likely pick Top 2....but your assumption is that the Browns will win 2 games. (BTW I would take the over on that for as much money as you can afford).

So as you can see, your point is at best an assumption.

I hate to go against my brother, but you've got a solid point going.

SportsAndLady;1172251 wrote:Obviously you can't read..I said best pick at that time. As in, when you're drafting, the #1 QB of the class is a better pick than the 3rd QB of the class....even though the #3 might be the better QB in the end.

And LOL @ Sam Bradford not being better than Josh Freeman

best pick, top pick doesn't always lead to best QB.

If Weeden turns out to be a great QB, than where we draft next year really doesn't matter.

SportsAndLady;1172256 wrote:Seriously guys?

His post wasn't even what I was talking about. It was 33% untrue (Freeman better than Bradford).

And this is the same guy who said he watches and knows more football than all of us do combined LOL

id take freeman in a heart beat over bradford at this point in their careers

royal_k;1172608 wrote:If Weeden turns out to be a great QB, than where we draft next year really doesn't matter.

sure it will, weeden is 29 :rolleyes:

shook_17;1172629 wrote:id take freeman in a heart beat over bradford at this point in their careers

Really? I wouldn't. Bradford just has to get over these injuries and actually get an offensive line around him.

SportsAndLady;1172684 wrote:Really? I wouldn't. Bradford just has to get over these injuries and actually get an offensive line around him.

Yeah, I would take Bradford as well.

Make that three for Bradford.

While on the subject of Bradford, when I was listening to Kirwin on the ride home yesterday he seems to think a few of the Rams WR's could be available come time for cuts. Wonder if there's anyone old Pat was interested in/was familiar with?

SportsAndLady;1172684 wrote:Really? I wouldn't. Bradford just has to get over these injuries and actually get an offensive line around him.

yeah right now. freeman has proven to me he can play at a high level and win some games. i was very high on bradford coming out of oklahoma, but in the NFL hes been a non factor.(i know, shitty o line play and receivers) like i said it could change it a couple years.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/cleveland_browns_qb_colt_mccoy.html

Glad to hear it McCoy, one thing you can't question is the kid's work ethic.

Not a warning or anything, but just so everyone knows, we are cracking down on the pet names in these forums...like "failhook" etc. Use them in the basement, but try to keep them out of the other forums. This was discussed between all the mods.

shook_17;1169217 wrote:
so whats next in line off season wise. OTAs? i think i heard may 22?

I believe all players come together on Tuesday, May 22...like you said.

SportsAndLady;1172251 wrote:Obviously you can't read..I said best pick at that time. As in, when you're drafting, the #1 QB of the class is a better pick than the 3rd QB of the class....even though the #3 might be the better QB in the end.

And LOL @ Sam Bradford not being better than Josh Freeman

Who gives a shit about what Kiper and McShay say at the time? At the time doesn't win games. How the QBs turn out is ALL that matters...."At the time" doesn't mean anything.

And you can laugh out loud or to yourself all you want but Freeman thus far (which is what I clearly stated in my post for the reading impaired) has been better than Bradford.

Browns optimistic Taylor can return this year?

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/05/cleveland_browns_dt_phil_taylo.html

Hopefully he can. We will need him for the playoff push.

Hopefully he is ready to go by September. He would only miss a few games if that was the case.

[h=2]Cleveland Browns[/h][h=3]Biggest Post-Draft Need: Wide Receiver[/h]According to Football Outsiders' metrics, Cleveland's weak spots in 2011 were in the running game, both on offense and on defense. Drafting Alabama running back Trent Richardson solved one of those problems. For the other, they signed run-stopping defensive end Frostee Rucker, and are counting on the continued development of their two young defensive tackles, Ahtyba Rubin and Phil Taylor.
The Browns' pass defense, despite being ranked 17th last year in Football Outsiders' DVOA efficiency metric, doesn't seem that bad off either, especially with the return of strong safety T.J. Ward from injury. Joe Haden may have had a down year -- ranking 48th among corners in defensive success rate (explained here) -- but there's still plenty of promise from his rookie season. More importantly, though, both Sheldon Brown (ranked 11th in yards allowed per pass) and nickel cornerback Dimitri Patterson (seventh in success rate) actually had a better season than Haden according to our metrics.
So that leaves pass offense as the Browns main weakness, and selecting Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden means that their biggest hole is at wide receiver. Last season, Cleveland had three or more wideouts on the field 52 percent of the time, which was 12th-most in the NFL, and those three receivers were almost always Greg Little, Mohamed Massaquoi, and Josh Cribbs. According to our metrics, Cribbs was the most valuable of the group, but he only ranked 42nd in the NFL. As for Little and Massaquoi, they ranked 85th and 88th, respectively -- out of 90 qualifying wideouts.
To their credit, the Browns drafted Miami wide receiver Travis Benjamin in the fourth round, but his small frame is best suited for slot duty. At least that allows Cribbs to focus more on what he's best at: special teams. Nevertheless, the cupboard in-house is otherwise bare.
That leaves free agency, where the best remaining options are an ancient Plaxico Burress, and three wideouts coming off knee injuries: Braylon Edwards, Mark Clayton, and Mike Sims-Walker. Let's hope that, for Weeden's (or Colt McCoy's) sake, either Greg Little breaks out in his second season, or an unnamed receiver falls into Cleveland's lap in August.
[h=3]Important Undrafted Free Agents[/h]Given the above, it should come as no surprise that Cleveland added three wide receivers among their 15 total signings. The most intriguing of the three is Josh Cooper out of Oklahoma State. Having been a teammate of Cleveland's No. 22 pick, Brandon Weeden, Cooper has a leg up in the "special quarterback relationship" department. In fact, if ever there was motivation to help the other guy look good, Cooper essentially owes his employment to Weeden.
Also, Cleveland signed Idaho guard Matt Cleveland. Can anyone name other players whose surnames matched the city in which they played? Is this something that only amuses me?


http://www.footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2012/four-downs-afc-north-0

Great find BR, thanks for sharing. Interesting to note about Haden. I would like to know his metrics before and after knee injury. To the eye test he was never the same following it.

Y-Town Steelhound;1173031 wrote:Who gives a shit about what Kiper and McShay say at the time? At the time doesn't win games. How the QBs turn out is ALL that matters...."At the time" doesn't mean anything.

And you can laugh out loud or to yourself all you want but Freeman thus far (which is what I clearly stated in my post for the reading impaired) has been better than Bradford.

Who siad anything about Kiper and McShay LOL

People don't realize how good scouting has become, and how precise it will be in the future.

This is JUST MY OPINION, but Tom Brady's in the 6th round are done. Hell, star QBs in the 3-4th rounds are done. I don't even think there will be any more #1 overall QBs busting.

SportsAndLady;1173625 wrote:Who siad anything about Kiper and McShay LOL

People don't realize how good scouting has become, and how precise it will be in the future.

This is JUST MY OPINION, but Tom Brady's in the 6th round are done. Hell, star QBs in the 3-4th rounds are done. I don't even think there will be any more #1 overall QBs busting.

What are you basing this on?

SportsAndLady;1173625 wrote:Who siad anything about Kiper and McShay LOL

People don't realize how good scouting has become, and how precise it will be in the future.

This is JUST MY OPINION, but Tom Brady's in the 6th round are done. Hell, star QBs in the 3-4th rounds are done. I don't even think there will be any more #1 overall QBs busting.

SportsAndLady;1173625 wrote:Who siad anything about Kiper and McShay LOL

People don't realize how good scouting has become, and how precise it will be in the future.

This is JUST MY OPINION, but Tom Brady's in the 6th round are done. Hell, star QBs in the 3-4th rounds are done. I don't even think there will be any more #1 overall QBs busting.

Lol just stop now please

I had no idea S&L could see into the future. Interesting.

Also S&L, its a current trend in the NFL. There are always trends in the league, decade ago it was all about having a great defense (Tampa Bay Bucs, Ravens, Shittsburgh) now the trend is all about offense. NFL is never stagnant and lolfail on you for your narrow view/forecast. Never a bust again? Excuse me while I LMAO.