wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
May 15, 2012 6:25am
Midstate01;1171255 wrote:I'm a huge browns homer, I can't find 5 wins on the schedule.
Same here...schedule is brutal
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 15, 2012 7:48am
wes_mantooth;1171382 wrote:Same here...schedule is brutal
It's not like the schedule is going to get any easier next year. We will still be in a tough division plus we will be playing the likes of the bears, lions, and packers. All that in a year where some posters think the Browns will all of a sudden make the playoffs. I rather play the NFC east than the NFC north. The fact of the matter is as long as the Browns suck ass, any schedule is going to look daunting.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
May 15, 2012 7:51am
yeah, that is a good point. I guess if we can get a bunch more John Hughes type players with the next couple of drafts...no schedule will look tough....lollike_that;1171403 wrote:It's not like the schedule is going to get any easier next year. We will still be in a tough division plus we will be playing the likes of the bears, lions, and packers. All that in a year where some posters think the Browns will all of a sudden make the playoffs. I rather play the NFC east than the NFC north. The fact of the matter is as long as the Browns suck ass, any schedule is going to look daunting.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 15, 2012 8:35am
Which is why you take a 2-14 year this year (oh the humanity, going 2-14 instead of 4-12!!!!) and get your franchise QB. Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson, Logan Thomas, Aaron Murray, Keith Price (whoever is projected top 3). That's A LOT of quality QBs were looking at in the 2013 draft. Yes, some of them will fall off the map this season..but then you'll possibly have an RG3 type player who will come out of nowhere.like_that;1171403 wrote:It's not like the schedule is going to get any easier next year. We will still be in a tough division plus we will be playing the likes of the bears, lions, and packers. All that in a year where some posters think the Browns will all of a sudden make the playoffs. I rather play the NFC east than the NFC north. The fact of the matter is as long as the Browns suck ass, any schedule is going to look daunting.
I mean I get the excitement with Weeden, I really do...Colt isn't that good, it's nice to have a decent-to-good QB. But I'd rather hold off for a great QB. If you have a decent QB, you are never going to be in the Super Bowl and you are never going to be drafting in the top 3 to get a great QB.
Just take a shitty season, get your QB and around that time you'll see the Steelers and definitely the Ravens dropping off in talent level.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 15, 2012 8:57am
Just remember coming into last season S&L, all the quaility QBs was the general consensus then too. Turned out to only be 2.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 9:00am
Writeup on rookie QB's. Agree that rookies who have been successful have usually had strong running games...
http://cle.scout.com/2/1186563.html
http://cle.scout.com/2/1186563.html
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 15, 2012 10:48am
Need it? No, but it seems the mods feel obligated to force their hands upon us. F*cking bullsh*t.like_that;1171381 wrote:We don't need any mods holding our hands.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
May 15, 2012 10:53am
You're so right, great QBs are never drafted outside of the 3rd pick.SportsAndLady;1171424 wrote:you are never going to be drafting in the top 3 to get a great QB.
Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger--none taken top 3. That's not including non-top 35 picks (Romo, Brady, Schaub)
If there's as many great QBs as you say there are next year then we don't need to be drafting in the top 3 to take one of them.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 15, 2012 11:28am
lhslep134;1171669 wrote:Need it? No, but it seems the mods feel obligated to force their hands upon us. F*cking bullsh*t.
Agreed, that's why I think threads like this should be grandfathered in. This thread wouldn't be 350 pages long if we didn't know how to self regulate it.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
May 15, 2012 11:44am
Lol at wildcats. Seriously?
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
May 15, 2012 11:47am
Exactly, like I said, we are Cleveland fans... We bitch, moan, and call each other mean things, but in the end we persevere because we realize we are all fans of this fucking organization we love to hate so muchlike_that;1171759 wrote:Agreed, that's why I think threads like this should be grandfathered in. This thread wouldn't be 350 pages long if we didn't know how to self regulate it.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 15, 2012 12:05pm
[h=2]Davis graduates from UNLV[/h] Posted May 13, 2012
By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer
Andra Davis is not one to leave a task unfinished.
After establishing himself in the National Football League, the former Cleveland Browns linebacker decided to go back to college and finish his degree. Davis, a fifth-round pick of the Browns in the 2002 NFL Draft out of the University of Florida, finished up the requirements for a degree in the social sciences and liberal arts at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas (UNLV) and walked across the stage of the Thomas and Mack Center to receive his diploma.
“It’s a blessing; it’s definitely a blessing,” Davis said via telephone from Las Vegas. “I wouldn’t trade my path for anything. I wish I would’ve finished at Florida when I was in school, but the path I ended up taking made me a better man, made me a better person. I’m just thankful, so thankful that I had a lot of support from a lot of coaches, my wife, my parents and a lot of people continued to remind me that I needed to go back and finish.”
Davis played for the Browns from 2002 to 2008 before signing with the Denver Broncos and spent the last two seasons with the Buffalo Bills. In his career with the Browns, Davis never played in less than 11 games and started every one in which he played from 2003-2006.
Davis had three 100-tackle seasons in the orange and brown, including 2003 (136 stops), 2005 (149) and 2006 (104).
“In Cleveland, my whole focus was just football; I wasn’t really thinking about anything else,” Davis said. “I just wanted to be the best player I could be and try to do my best to help the organization achieve its goal, which was to win. I thank God for all of the wonderful people I met in Cleveland. The Cleveland Browns will forever be special in my heart. I had two beautiful kids born there. It’s been wonderful, it’s been great.”
By going back to school at UNLV on the suggestion of former Browns coach, Andre Patterson, Davis carried on a family tradition of success in the classroom. His mother and father both have degrees from Shaw University in North Carolina and his wife earned her degree in 2011.
Davis’ wife, Monique, had to put school on hold when she got pregnant while they were together at Florida. Now, Davis feels he and his wife can set an example for their three daughters, Alisha, 11, Amber, 8, and Andrea, 5.
“It was all up to me,” Davis said, “because we have three daughters and that would’ve been hard for us to continue to tell them that you need to do this, do that; you need to finish school; you need to finish college; you need to graduate from college when I didn’t or neither one of us had our degree. Knowing that both parents have their degree in our household, they won’t have any excuses. It’s proven and we’re going to continue to make sure we put them in the best position to succeed in life.”
Although he plans on playing again in 2012, Davis is hoping his degree will lead to a post-football career.
“Honestly, I just want to be in a situation where I’m able to help kids,” Davis said. “I would love to have a player development-type role, help players throughout their careers like our man out in Cleveland at the time, Jerry Butler. He was so instrumental in my career. Just to be able to go in the office and talk to him about anything, it was just wonderful. I would love to be able to give back to players in that regard.”
Davis has played in 143 NFL games and registered 786 total tackles during that time. He has made 539 solo tackles, collected 12 sacks, intercepted nine passes and forced five fumbles, but all of those plays do not mean as much to Davis as something he gets to see when he goes home after a long day of work.
“Definitely the smile on my kid’s face,” Davis said of the best reward he has gotten by graduating. “There’s no comparison to it at all because people will forget about you sacking that quarterback, but people won’t forget and can be reminded that you have your degree.”
Sorry BR couldn't help myself
By Matt Florjancic, Staff Writer
Andra Davis is not one to leave a task unfinished.After establishing himself in the National Football League, the former Cleveland Browns linebacker decided to go back to college and finish his degree. Davis, a fifth-round pick of the Browns in the 2002 NFL Draft out of the University of Florida, finished up the requirements for a degree in the social sciences and liberal arts at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas (UNLV) and walked across the stage of the Thomas and Mack Center to receive his diploma.
“It’s a blessing; it’s definitely a blessing,” Davis said via telephone from Las Vegas. “I wouldn’t trade my path for anything. I wish I would’ve finished at Florida when I was in school, but the path I ended up taking made me a better man, made me a better person. I’m just thankful, so thankful that I had a lot of support from a lot of coaches, my wife, my parents and a lot of people continued to remind me that I needed to go back and finish.”
Davis played for the Browns from 2002 to 2008 before signing with the Denver Broncos and spent the last two seasons with the Buffalo Bills. In his career with the Browns, Davis never played in less than 11 games and started every one in which he played from 2003-2006.
Davis had three 100-tackle seasons in the orange and brown, including 2003 (136 stops), 2005 (149) and 2006 (104).
“In Cleveland, my whole focus was just football; I wasn’t really thinking about anything else,” Davis said. “I just wanted to be the best player I could be and try to do my best to help the organization achieve its goal, which was to win. I thank God for all of the wonderful people I met in Cleveland. The Cleveland Browns will forever be special in my heart. I had two beautiful kids born there. It’s been wonderful, it’s been great.”
By going back to school at UNLV on the suggestion of former Browns coach, Andre Patterson, Davis carried on a family tradition of success in the classroom. His mother and father both have degrees from Shaw University in North Carolina and his wife earned her degree in 2011.
Davis’ wife, Monique, had to put school on hold when she got pregnant while they were together at Florida. Now, Davis feels he and his wife can set an example for their three daughters, Alisha, 11, Amber, 8, and Andrea, 5.
“It was all up to me,” Davis said, “because we have three daughters and that would’ve been hard for us to continue to tell them that you need to do this, do that; you need to finish school; you need to finish college; you need to graduate from college when I didn’t or neither one of us had our degree. Knowing that both parents have their degree in our household, they won’t have any excuses. It’s proven and we’re going to continue to make sure we put them in the best position to succeed in life.”
Although he plans on playing again in 2012, Davis is hoping his degree will lead to a post-football career.
“Honestly, I just want to be in a situation where I’m able to help kids,” Davis said. “I would love to have a player development-type role, help players throughout their careers like our man out in Cleveland at the time, Jerry Butler. He was so instrumental in my career. Just to be able to go in the office and talk to him about anything, it was just wonderful. I would love to be able to give back to players in that regard.”
Davis has played in 143 NFL games and registered 786 total tackles during that time. He has made 539 solo tackles, collected 12 sacks, intercepted nine passes and forced five fumbles, but all of those plays do not mean as much to Davis as something he gets to see when he goes home after a long day of work.
“Definitely the smile on my kid’s face,” Davis said of the best reward he has gotten by graduating. “There’s no comparison to it at all because people will forget about you sacking that quarterback, but people won’t forget and can be reminded that you have your degree.”
Sorry BR couldn't help myself
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 12:11pm
And the guy who handed him his diploma got 10 yards behind him before Davis finally tracked him down. 
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
May 15, 2012 12:20pm
In 2005 Davis recorded a career high and team leading 199 tackles. His best game came against the Green Bay Packers on September 18 when he recorded 20 tackles. On November 20 he was named the AFC Defensive Player of the week after recording 14 tackles, 2 tfl and 2 pbu's in the 22-0 win over the Miami Dolphins.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
May 15, 2012 12:24pm
199! wow
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
May 15, 2012 12:26pm
DeyDurkie5;1171300 wrote:That's not what you said. You said better record than troy smith. Which I'll take. Name the terms.
I am not trying to change anything. What is your definition of better record? Obviously Weeden is more than likely going to start more games than TS. To my knowledge, TS is 4-3 as a starter. Thats a 57% winning percentage for those of us who have trouble figuring that out (eg, Footwedge). For Brandon Weeden to do better than that, he has to win over half of his games. I dont see whats confusing you guys. And I made the Browns stipulation, because who gives a shit what he does if he isnt playing for the Browns?BR1986FB;1171374 wrote:That's exactly what he said. Now he's posting the low hanging fruit/potentially easy money bets which are likely in his favor.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 15, 2012 12:35pm
Where did I say you can't get a great QB past the first 3 picks?lhslep134;1171688 wrote:You're so right, great QBs are never drafted outside of the 3rd pick.
Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger--none taken top 3. That's not including non-top 35 picks (Romo, Brady, Schaub)
If there's as many great QBs as you say there are next year then we don't need to be drafting in the top 3 to take one of them.
Tell me this..would you rather have luck/rg3 or any other QB in this draft?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 12:36pm
Greg Little, WR, Cleveland Browns
Perhaps no second-year player in the conference will benefit more from his teams most recent draft class than Little.
In case you have not heard, the Browns used the 2012 draft to rebuild their offensive identity by adding Alabama running back Trent Richardson and Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden. Surprisingly, Cleveland added just one wideout (Travis Benjamin in the fourth round) to a receiving corps widely considered the worst in the league.
The addition of Weeden should breathe life into a stagnant passing attack, while the presence of Richardson will likely force defenders to place an emphasis on stopping the run. This new combination of offensive playmakers should allow Little to thrive, as his physical style of play and run after the catch ability is a perfect fit in Cleveland's West Coast Offense.
The 6'2" and 220 pound receiver managed to lead the team with 61 catches for 709 yards as a rookie after spending his senior year at North Carolina away from football due to suspension. Little did have a concerning number of drops (14) in his first year, but proved he can make plays, despite enduring inconsistent quarterback play and a virtually non-existent ground game.
Stability at quarterback—and a lack of new additions at the receiver position—could provide Little with an opportunity to develop into Cleveland's No. 1 receiver and one of the league's most promising young pass-catchers in 2012.
http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/05/cleveland-browns-wr-greg-little.html?m=1
Perhaps no second-year player in the conference will benefit more from his teams most recent draft class than Little.
In case you have not heard, the Browns used the 2012 draft to rebuild their offensive identity by adding Alabama running back Trent Richardson and Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden. Surprisingly, Cleveland added just one wideout (Travis Benjamin in the fourth round) to a receiving corps widely considered the worst in the league.
The addition of Weeden should breathe life into a stagnant passing attack, while the presence of Richardson will likely force defenders to place an emphasis on stopping the run. This new combination of offensive playmakers should allow Little to thrive, as his physical style of play and run after the catch ability is a perfect fit in Cleveland's West Coast Offense.
The 6'2" and 220 pound receiver managed to lead the team with 61 catches for 709 yards as a rookie after spending his senior year at North Carolina away from football due to suspension. Little did have a concerning number of drops (14) in his first year, but proved he can make plays, despite enduring inconsistent quarterback play and a virtually non-existent ground game.
Stability at quarterback—and a lack of new additions at the receiver position—could provide Little with an opportunity to develop into Cleveland's No. 1 receiver and one of the league's most promising young pass-catchers in 2012.
http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2012/05/cleveland-browns-wr-greg-little.html?m=1
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 12:37pm
I was all in on the RG3 bandwagon but after seeing what it took I'd rather have Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz and next years 1st & 2nd than RG3 right now.SportsAndLady;1171857 wrote:Tell me this..would you rather have luck/rg3 or any other QB in this draft?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
May 15, 2012 12:40pm
like_that;1171759 wrote:Agreed, that's why I think threads like this should be grandfathered in. This thread wouldn't be 350 pages long if we didn't know how to self regulate it.
amen
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
May 15, 2012 12:49pm
this.BR1986FB;1171863 wrote:I was all in on the RG3 bandwagon but after seeing what it took I'd rather have Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz and next years 1st & 2nd than RG3 right now.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 15, 2012 2:11pm
Umm that's not wat I asked....at all lolBR1986FB;1171863 wrote:I was all in on the RG3 bandwagon but after seeing what it took I'd rather have Richardson, Weeden, Schwartz and next years 1st & 2nd than RG3 right now.
Would you be more excited about having Luck or rg3 (as in you had the second pick and it cost nothing to get him)...or.....tannehill, Weeden, or any other qb in this draft?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 2:15pm
Well, duh...without having to use picks I'd take those guys but a) you don't know the Browns will be drafting high enough next year to get a top QB, b) you don't know that next years crop will be better than Weeden and c) this regime isn't in any position to play "wait and see", letting their jobs hang in the balance on the performance of Colt McCoy.SportsAndLady;1171999 wrote:Umm that's not wat I asked....at all lol
Would you be more excited about having Luck or rg3 (as in you had the second pick and it cost nothing to get him)...or.....tannehill, Weeden, or any other qb in this draft?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
May 15, 2012 2:24pm
a) if the browns are 2-14 they're drafting top 2BR1986FB;1172001 wrote:Well, duh...without having to use picks I'd take those guys but a) you don't know the Browns will be drafting high enough next year to get a top QB, b) you don't know that next years crop will be better than Weeden and c) this regime isn't in any position to play "wait and see", letting their jobs hang in the balance on the performance of Colt McCoy.
b)the top QB next year isnt gonna be better than the 3rd QB this year? Come on...
c) im talking from a fans perspective not h&h's
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
May 15, 2012 2:32pm
Two of the three are assumptions and the third is talking from a fans perspective, as you mentioned.SportsAndLady;1172010 wrote:a) if the browns are 2-14 they're drafting top 2
b)the top QB next year isnt gonna be better than the 3rd QB this year? Come on...
c) im talking from a fans perspective not h&h's