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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Mar 17, 2012 10:32am
I just want the draft to be here already!
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 10:36am
There seems to be a belief that they are already done in FA. I find this pretty hard to believe.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Mar 17, 2012 11:22am
might as well suffer with what you've got and play for the next "big thing" at QB.
Since we seem to be out of the running for any significant upgrades thru FA, including the QB position, it almost seems like the organization is planning to tank another year and build thru the draft.There seems to be a belief that they are already done in FA. I find this pretty hard to believe.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 11:30am
Beginning to believe this myself. As currently constructed, I see a 2-14 or 3-13 record so they will likely be in play for one of the top QB's in 2013 IF they (Holmgren/Heckert) are still around with more regression.HitsRus;1119369 wrote:Since we seem to be out of the running for any significant upgrades thru FA, including the QB position, it almost seems like the organization is planning to tank another year and build thru the draft.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 17, 2012 11:42am
fuck it. whats one more season of sucking ass, and being the laughing stock of the league.:thumbup:
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Mar 17, 2012 11:43am
Whos the top 3 QBs right now that will be in next years draft?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 17, 2012 11:45am
barkleyTigerfan00;1119374 wrote:Whos the top 3 QBs right now that will be in next years draft?
jones
can't remember the third
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slingshot4ever
Posts: 4,085
Mar 17, 2012 11:45am
Barkley, Jones, Georgia QB...
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 11:55am
This list was last updated in Sept so Luck & RG3 are still listed...
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013QB.php
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013QB.php
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 17, 2012 12:17pm
I am also ready for the draft to be here. I just want to know what direction they are going to go.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 17, 2012 12:25pm
There is no way they can even think about that as I think they would all be run out of town.HitsRus;1119369 wrote:Since we seem to be out of the running for any significant upgrades thru FA, including the QB position, it almost seems like the organization is planning to tank another year and build thru the draft.
The regime is arrogant, but not even Holmgren would be able to pull off 5/4/4 & under win seasons in a row without there being howling to have him replaced.
How could you continue to let Shumur coach the team if he manages 4 wins and under in his 2 seasons. That is a fireable offense in a league where is very easy to turn it around quickly.
This is the make or break season for this regime. There are still alot of lemmings that are listening to whatever Holmgren shovels, but another season like last year and that won't be the case anymore.
Holmgren was a great coach, but let us not forget he was stripped of his GM duties in Seattle for a reason. He just might not be cut out for this job, as buying the groceries is a different skill set than cooking them.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 17, 2012 12:45pm
I wish there was a better option that was WILLING to coach the Browns. Who better to guide us to the promised land than THE CHIN!
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 17, 2012 1:00pm
No one wants to come ot the browns. That's what you have to remember. We haven't won/been in the playoffs consistently in decades
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 1:05pm
I don't think Shurmur's the problem and Holmgren is going to look REAL foolish after setting the bar with "4 wins, even 6 wins is unacceptable." I understand he has to show optimism but I just don't see this roster conjuring up 4 wins as constructed.IggyPride00;1119384 wrote:There is no way they can even think about that as I think they would all be run out of town.
The regime is arrogant, but not even Holmgren would be able to pull off 5/4/4 & under win seasons in a row without there being howling to have him replaced.
How could you continue to let Shumur coach the team if he manages 4 wins and under in his 2 seasons. That is a fireable offense in a league where is very easy to turn it around quickly.
This is the make or break season for this regime. There are still alot of lemmings that are listening to whatever Holmgren shovels, but another season like last year and that won't be the case anymore.
Holmgren was a great coach, but let us not forget he was stripped of his GM duties in Seattle for a reason. He just might not be cut out for this job, as buying the groceries is a different skill set than cooking them.
The Browns will host the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Buffalo Bills, Philadelphia Eagles and Washington Redskins, and travel to play the Denver Broncos, Oakland Raiders, Indianapolis Colts, Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants. Add in the division opponents and I could see possible wins against Indianapolis and maybe Buffalo or Kansas City, if lucky.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 17, 2012 1:05pm
I would sayTigerfan00;1119374 wrote:Whos the top 3 QBs right now that will be in next years draft?
1. Barkley
2. Bray
3. Landry Jones
4. Tyler Wilson
5. Aaron Murray
All of them have the potential to be 1st round picks. I like Bray a lot. He was slowed by injury a little bit last year, but I think he's going to have a big season.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 1:08pm
Not necessarily the case. Yes, the big names may not want to be here but there are players that could help this team whose agents (Levi Brown, Eric Winston) were confused that the Browns didn't call them. A lot of free agents have no issue playing here...some do.DeyDurkie5;1119395 wrote:No one wants to come ot the browns. That's what you have to remember. We haven't won/been in the playoffs consistently in decades
Tigerfan00
Posts: 3,427
Mar 17, 2012 1:08pm
Aaron Murray from Georgia put up good numbers but hes a little on the small side at 6'1 210. Id say the top 2 are Barkley and Jones then a dropoff after that
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 17, 2012 1:38pm
Not sold on Landry Jones. IMO just another product of a pass-happy defense in a conference unable to stop the pass. Underwhelming.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Mar 17, 2012 1:54pm
Yup Barkley or bust in 2013. Murray will be the 2nd best IMO but there will be concerns about his height.
I am hoping we trade down more and more everyday.
I am hoping we trade down more and more everyday.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 17, 2012 2:49pm
I think most of us are, but Holmgren made it pretty clear that he would likely discourage Heckert from doing so.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 17, 2012 3:23pm
I don't think we can honestly trust a word that comes out of these guys' mouths. They also said they wouldn't go too strong to move up to #2Dr. KnOiTaLL;1119456 wrote:I think most of us are, but Holmgren made it pretty clear that he would likely discourage Heckert from doing so.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 17, 2012 3:40pm
Barkley would not make it in cleveland. Fuck that.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 17, 2012 3:52pm
I just LOVE how ticked off Barkley gets when compared to Luck haha. At least he's got some fire in his belly!shook_17;1119558 wrote:Barkley would not make it in cleveland. **** that.
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Al Bundy
Posts: 4,180
Mar 17, 2012 8:06pm
I will be pissed (but not surprised) if Tampa gets more value for trading the #5 pick than the Browns get for trading the #4 pick.BR1986FB;1118770 wrote:Sirius NFL mock draft. Would anyone have a major issue with this? I'd expect a 1st in 2013...
1. INDY- Luck
2. WAS- RG3
3. MIN- Kalil
4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
5. NE (trade from TB for both 1st's and a
2nd)- Coples
6. STL- Blackmon
7. JAX- Claiborne
8. CLE (from MIA)-
Richardson
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Mar 17, 2012 11:01pm
Don't understand why no effort was made to get Winston to play right tackle.
He signed for 4 years and $22 million, incredibly reasonable considering some of the deals we have seen out there, especially considering he is one of hte best RT's in the game.
Instead he and Hillis are in KC now when they could have just as easily been in Cleveland. It's not like they gave away the farm to sign either, but it helped solidify their run game.
Winston is only 28 years old, so he should have been the ideal type of free agent for Heckert as he is in his prime and affordable at a position of need.
He signed for 4 years and $22 million, incredibly reasonable considering some of the deals we have seen out there, especially considering he is one of hte best RT's in the game.
Instead he and Hillis are in KC now when they could have just as easily been in Cleveland. It's not like they gave away the farm to sign either, but it helped solidify their run game.
Winston is only 28 years old, so he should have been the ideal type of free agent for Heckert as he is in his prime and affordable at a position of need.