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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 7:58pm
First offer or when the Browns tried to come back with a counteroffer (to the Redskins first offer) and STL said "no...you had your chance?"Mr Miyagi;1118763 wrote:you should read this.....Holmgren really doesn't have a right to bitch......also if you noticed in the tele conference, he never came out and said "we matched Washington" he said " he thought that what they were offering was comparable" just because he thought it was just as good doesnt mean it was...
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/in-light-of-2001-hasselbeck-trade-holmgrens-complaints-are-hollow/
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:00pm
Sirius NFL mock draft. Would anyone have a major issue with this? I'd expect a 1st in 2013...
1. INDY- Luck
2. WAS- RG3
3. MIN- Kalil
4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
5. NE (trade from TB for both 1st's and a
2nd)- Coples
6. STL- Blackmon
7. JAX- Claiborne
8. CLE (from MIA)-
Richardson
1. INDY- Luck
2. WAS- RG3
3. MIN- Kalil
4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
5. NE (trade from TB for both 1st's and a
2nd)- Coples
6. STL- Blackmon
7. JAX- Claiborne
8. CLE (from MIA)-
Richardson
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 16, 2012 8:02pm
BR1986FB;1118770 wrote:Sirius NFL mock draft. Would anyone have a major issue with this? I'd expect a 1st in 2013...
1. INDY- Luck
2. WAS- RG3
3. MIN- Kalil
4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
5. NE (trade from TB for both 1st's and a
2nd)- Coples
6. STL- Blackmon
7. JAX- Claiborne
8. CLE (from MIA)-
Richardson
No, other than the fact that we again missed on our most glaring need.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:02pm
I mean he's supposed to be the next AP. Would any of you guys not want to AP in our backfield? Takes the pressure off colt, and we can get stephen hill with our second to stretch the field.ytownfootball;1118764 wrote:I mean, we struck out on landing a serviceable QB, didn't land any receiver via FA, we play pretty decent D...so we might as well run the fuck outta the ball. What else id left besides D and receivers that we can't get the ball to?
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:05pm
I love how they say we are going to get weapons to put in our offense....but then they are just going to rely on ROOKIE WR's to just have pro bowl seasons. Receiver is one the of the hardest transitions to make position-wise from college to NFL. We need some freaking veterans in here( and I mean a true veteran WR NOT Cribbs) to lead these young guys.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:05pm
I don't mind Richardson being drafted at all.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 16, 2012 8:07pm
I refuse to get caught up in the next "AP" stuff, simply because the direction of the league is that of a pass happy offense, refereed as such from qb's to receivers. If the Browns or anyone is going to be a run oriented team, they need to commit to it. They obviously haven't.DeyDurkie5;1118779 wrote:I mean he's supposed to be the next AP. Would any of you guys not want to AP in our backfield? Takes the pressure off colt, and we can get stephen hill with our second to stretch the field.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:08pm
I like little and massoquoi. I know some people don't, but I see potential in both of them. Just didn't have anyone that could stretch the field with burner speed. You get someone like hill to just run straight, and we've got a decent reciever core. not to mention, norwood showed some flashes.OQB;1118790 wrote:I love how they say we are going to get weapons to put in our offense....but then they are just going to rely on ROOKIE WR's to just have pro bowl seasons. Receiver is one the of the hardest transitions to make position-wise from college to NFL. We need some freaking veterans in here( and I mean a true veteran WR NOT Cribbs) to lead these young guys.
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Zombaypirate
Posts: 581
Mar 16, 2012 8:08pm
No problem at all with a 2013 1st rnd pick. You might be able to get more than that for allowing Miami to move up to 4. I would be surprised if NE would rate Coples higher than Claiborne.BR1986FB;1118770 wrote:Sirius NFL mock draft. Would anyone have a major issue with this? I'd expect a 1st in 2013...
1. INDY- Luck
2. WAS- RG3
3. MIN- Kalil
4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
5. NE (trade from TB for both 1st's and a
2nd)- Coples
6. STL- Blackmon
7. JAX- Claiborne
8. CLE (from MIA)-
Richardson
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:11pm
He's been dominating the SEC for a couple years now. That usually translates to NFL star. I don't care what the league is doing, I care what the browns are doing. With the offense the way it is, we need playmakers like richardson to get the offense flowing.ytownfootball;1118795 wrote:I refuse to get caught up in the next "AP" stuff, simply because the direction of the league is that of a pass happy offense, refereed as such from qb's to receivers. If the Browns or anyone is going to be a run oriented team, they need to commit to it. They obviously haven't.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:12pm
True. It's unrealistic to believe that a rookie will come in and have an AJ Green-like rookie season. Usually it takes a few years for a WR to excel. That's why I'm expecting big(ger) things from Greg Little this year.OQB;1118790 wrote:I love how they say we are going to get weapons to put in our offense....but then they are just going to rely on ROOKIE WR's to just have pro bowl seasons. Receiver is one the of the hardest transitions to make position-wise from college to NFL. We need some freaking veterans in here( and I mean a true veteran WR NOT Cribbs) to lead these young guys.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 16, 2012 8:13pm
He's 9-7 as a starter. So I'd say he wins football games a little bit more than 50% of the time to this point.Y-Town Steelhound;1118736 wrote:All the guy does is win football games.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:14pm
I agree with Little, but I am done with MoMass......the man can't stay on the field, and when he is he doesn't do anything. Cribbs needs to be Special teams/4th Wr. I was just hoping we could've gotten one of the FA wr's like Garcon.DeyDurkie5;1118796 wrote:I like little and massoquoi. I know some people don't, but I see potential in both of them. Just didn't have anyone that could stretch the field with burner speed. You get someone like hill to just run straight, and we've got a decent reciever core. not to mention, norwood showed some flashes.
If H and H are so focused on building through the draft, then I don't see why we wouldn't trade down a few spots to acquire more draft picks....and you don't draft Richardson in the top 5.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 16, 2012 8:14pm
My point is, at THIS point, having missed on the pass and catch part of the offense, we might as well run the fucker, so we probably agree for the most part.DeyDurkie5;1118801 wrote:He's been dominating the SEC for a couple years now. That usually translates to NFL star. I don't care what the league is doing, I care what the browns are doing. With the offense the way it is, we need playmakers like richardson to get the offense flowing.
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Sonofanump
Mar 16, 2012 8:16pm
So out of spite, the Browns would rather have #8 & #41 than #6, #33 & #39?BR1986FB;1118770 wrote: 4. MIA (trade from CLE for
#8 and 2nd round pick)- Tannehill
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:17pm
Agreed!BR1986FB;1118803 wrote:True. It's unrealistic to believe that a rookie will come in and have an AJ Green-like rookie season. Usually it takes a few years for a WR to excel. That's why I'm expecting big(ger) things from Greg Little this year.
But the thing is, we still need a true #1 wr, and another Greg Little type player to have a solid wr group.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:19pm
I just think this is the draft that we get playmakers on offense. Richardson, to me fits that description. So yes, I think we do agree.ytownfootball;1118808 wrote:My point is, at THIS point, having missed on the pass and catch part of the offense, we might as well run the fucker, so we probably agree for the most part.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:20pm
I don't really know that the Rams would deal with the Browns now and I doubt at this point they would give up both 33 & 39.Sonofanump;1118811 wrote:So out of spite, the Browns would rather have #8 & #41 than #6, #33 & #39?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:21pm
I want a speedy game changer. Defenses don't have to respect the deep ball.OQB;1118812 wrote:Agreed!
But the thing is, we still need a true #1 wr, and another Greg Little type player to have a solid wr group.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:27pm
I'd like us to do the following:
trade down to 7-9 and draft Richardson. RB solid running back for years to come
with the 22nd pick draft Wright WR Speedy receiver that will make defenses respect the deep ball (If McCoy can throw that far)
With the first 2nd rounder draft Sanu WR or RT I'd be happy with either pick here, I like Sanu, but we have a need for a RT.
With the second 2nd rounder (from trading down) draft Burfict LB We need a player like this with attitude to match the Steelers and Ravens
trade down to 7-9 and draft Richardson. RB solid running back for years to come
with the 22nd pick draft Wright WR Speedy receiver that will make defenses respect the deep ball (If McCoy can throw that far)
With the first 2nd rounder draft Sanu WR or RT I'd be happy with either pick here, I like Sanu, but we have a need for a RT.
With the second 2nd rounder (from trading down) draft Burfict LB We need a player like this with attitude to match the Steelers and Ravens
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:33pm
no thanks on kendall wright.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:38pm
Burfict may be available in the 3rd or 4th...no thanks on him now after he threw his coaches under the bus for his "poor senior season."
I think I'd rather have Hill at WR now over Wright unless Wright blazes at his Pro Day.
I think I'd rather have Hill at WR now over Wright unless Wright blazes at his Pro Day.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 8:47pm
I saw today a story about burflict. He completely fucked his pro day too. Might not even get drafted now.BR1986FB;1118834 wrote:Burfict may be available in the 3rd or 4th...no thanks on him now after he threw his coaches under the bus for his "poor senior season."
I think I'd rather have Hill at WR now over Wright unless Wright blazes at his Pro Day.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 16, 2012 8:53pm
ok, I retract my statement lol......
I have to be honest, I haven't followed the predraft activities as close as I usually do.....just too busy.
I have to be honest, I haven't followed the predraft activities as close as I usually do.....just too busy.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 8:53pm
He ran his 40 slow as Hell at the Combine. Just see him as someone looking to get paid and then trouble once he gets a little $ in his pocket. I was high on him a few months ago but he's on a serious downward spiral. Want offense but would rather use the 37 on Zach Brown at OLB than throw away a pick on Burfict.DeyDurkie5;1118848 wrote:I saw today a story about burflict. He completely fucked his pro day too. Might not even get drafted now.