like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 16, 2012 2:56pm
Damn that sucks. I guess we will find out about Kolb in a hour. Doubt they let him go now.shook_17;1118389 wrote:manning informed cardinals and miami that he won't be joining there clubs next year. does kolb still become a free agent?
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 16, 2012 2:56pm
like_that;1087510 wrote:Solid comparison, except imo Clausen sucks. Granted I didn't watch much of him, but when I was there for the Browns/Panthers game, he was god awful.
like_that;1118386 wrote:Really?
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?31434-2012-Cleveland-Browns-offseason-thread.-AKA-factory-of-sadness-thread&p=1088104&viewfull=1#post1088104
lol nice fail. Also still waiting for proof that I said Tebow's drive didn't matter. Also still waiting for an answer about how Tebow being the Browns best QB on roster is sad.
Thanks. Keep on failing.
says the guy who said using Clausen (in a Browns thread) was a solid comparison which was how I was using Tebow against the Dolphins. Nice fail attempt
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 16, 2012 2:57pm
It's not hard to complete 1 yd passes to boost your % and why McCoy has a terrible record as a QB.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1118385 wrote:We're not arguing about records here, Failhook. The Broncos also had 2600 rushing yards. We're talking about PASSING and QB play. If you take Tebow's rushing threat out of the equation, McCoy is a better QUARTERBACK than Tebow. You are completely ignorant if you argue that Tebow is a better passer, especially considering that his completion percentage was 10% worse than McCoy's. Did they win games? Absolutely, but it certainly wasn't because Tebow was a superior passing quarterback. The more you argue that point, the more ridiculous and unintelligent you look.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 16, 2012 2:59pm
You said you don't bring up Tebow. You did there. Nice try spinning that, but you fail once again. Still waiting on those answers, thanks.Skyhook79;1118395 wrote:says the guy who said using Clausen (in a Browns thread) was a solid comparison which was how I was using Tebow against the Dolphins. Nice fail attempt
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 16, 2012 3:00pm
Link?Skyhook79;1118396 wrote:It's not hard to complete 1 yd passes to boost your %
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Mar 16, 2012 3:05pm
Funny, 75% of Tebow's throws are this and he still can't complete more than 45% of his throws, yet you defend him.Skyhook79;1118396 wrote:It's not hard to complete 1 yd passes to boost your % and why McCoy has a terrible record as a QB.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 16, 2012 3:07pm
Sorry browns fans for.having to bring this back up but I haven't morning morning this morning and I can't let this retardation go..Skyhook79;1118093 wrote:I wouldn't respond to S&L all he does is stir up crap and hardly ever has his facts right. Baseball team in Green Bay, No black QB has ever won a Super Bowl etc.etc.etc.
Still confused on the baseball team in Green Bay thing eh failhook? Not surprised. Oh and LOL @ you saying I stir shit up haha wow
BR, what the fuck are you talking about? Sheep to the flock? You suck skyhooks microscopic cock all day (u have a bed time so not here at night) don't try and deny it. If you can't see how big a Cleveland troll failhook is idk what to tell ya.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 3:13pm
Yes, "sheep to the flock." I'm not a McCoy "nuthugger" so I'm a "hater."SportsAndLady;1118402 wrote:BR, what the fuck are you talking about? Sheep to the flock? You suck skyhooks microscopic cock all day (u have a bed time so not here at night) don't try and deny it. If you can't see how big a Cleveland troll failhook is idk what to tell ya.
Don't know WTF you're talking about with the 'cocksucker" comment because I've had my run in's with Skyhook myself.
As far as the "bedtime" thing...when you make the money that I do (can buy YOU, sell YOU and store you in my basement as LABOR) Lollipop Kid, sleep/money takes priority over bickering on a message board all hours of the night.
From what I can see, Skyhook didn't enter this thread until someone called him out with the Tebow comment ealier this afternoon. That's not to say he hasn't trolled in the past but someone called him onto this thread earlier.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 16, 2012 3:14pm
I'm not following BR.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 16, 2012 3:19pm
No...you're not but it seems like if you're not sympathetic to McCoy that you're (meaning me) the outcast.Commander of Awesome;1118407 wrote:I'm not following BR.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 16, 2012 3:24pm
He would have slide his way into this thread regardless of what anyone said. He comments in here daily, if you haven't noticed his cleveland trolling ways than I'd think you probably just weren't reading his posts (don't blame you). He's a pos.BR1986FB;1118406 wrote: From what I can see, Skyhook didn't enter this thread until someone called him out with the Tebow comment ealier this afternoon.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 3:31pm
well this thread got gay
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 16, 2012 3:32pm
also, kolb isn't going anywhere
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Sonofanump
Mar 16, 2012 3:59pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/16/cardinals-are-paying-kevin-kolbs-7-million-roster-bonus/DeyDurkie5;1118427 wrote:also, kolb isn't going anywhere
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 16, 2012 4:30pm
Funny Tebow averages 13.7 yds per completion and McCoy averages 10.3 yds per completion.robj55;1118400 wrote:Funny, 75% of Tebow's throws are this and he still can't complete more than 45% of his throws, yet you defend him.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Mar 16, 2012 4:38pm
On how many less attempts, he throws the ball like 15 times a gameSkyhook79;1118485 wrote:Funny Tebow averages 13.7 yds per completion and McCoy averages 10.3 yds per completion.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 16, 2012 4:53pm
Check out the yards per attempt between McCoy and Tebow through the links below. Not much of a difference, but nice try at defending your boy.Skyhook79;1118396 wrote:It's not hard to complete 1 yd passes to boost your % and why McCoy has a terrible record as a QB.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24060/career
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/24000
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 16, 2012 4:55pm
Yards per completion doesn't mean a whole lot. Yards per attempt is what you are referring to, and Tebow's YPA was a microscopic 0.5 yards more per attempt than McCoy's.Skyhook79;1118485 wrote:Funny Tebow averages 13.7 yds per completion and McCoy averages 10.3 yds per completion.
Yards per completion has a lot more to do with a wide receivers ability to gain yards after the catch, so the difference in that numbers speaks volumes about the significant difference in ability Tebow's WR's had as opposed to McCoy's.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 16, 2012 5:09pm
It does when you are trying argue pass % and throwing 1 yd passes to get a higher %.:rolleyes:Dr. KnOiTaLL;1118520 wrote:Yards per completion doesn't mean a whole lot. Yards per attempt is what you are referring to, and Tebow's YPA was a microscopic 0.5 yards more per attempt than McCoy's.
Yards per completion has a lot more to do with a wide receivers ability to gain yards after the catch, so the difference in that numbers speaks volumes about the significant difference in ability Tebow's WR's had as opposed to McCoy's.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 16, 2012 5:17pm
That's why I posted the yards per attempt... Tebow averaged 6.4 yards every pass he attempted. McCoy averaged 5.9 yards per attempt.Skyhook79;1118552 wrote:It does when you are trying argue pass % and throwing 1 yd passes to get a higher %.:rolleyes:
Thus, if Tebow completed 9 out of 20 passing attempts (45%), he would gain 128 yards. McCoy would complete 11 out of 20 attempts (55%), he would gain 118 yards.
Obviously, you can see that Tebow isn't exactly BOMBING it downfield all the time. He checks down a lot too, his numbers are just inflated because he even has trouble accurately throwing to check downs.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Mar 16, 2012 5:18pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatchDr. KnOiTaLL;1118520 wrote:Yards per completion doesn't mean a whole lot. Yards per attempt is what you are referring to, and Tebow's YPA was a microscopic 0.5 yards more per attempt than McCoy's.
Yards per completion has a lot more to do with a wide receivers ability to gain yards after the catch, so the difference in that numbers speaks volumes about the significant difference in ability Tebow's WR's had as opposed to McCoy's.
Cleveland has 3 WR's listed before Denver has 1 nice fail.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 16, 2012 5:26pm
The 2nd-4th rounds are not later round picks. If you think Hardesty, McCoy, or Lauvao look like good 2nd and 3rd round values at this point you're insane.DeyDurkie5;1117852 wrote:we are out the point now, where even our later round draft picks are getting scrutinized because they aren't turning into "gamechangers"
browns fans truly are the worst.
It's fine to miss on some guys. But you can't miss on 9/10 guys you take after the 2nd round if you're determined to build entirely through the draft. It's pretty simple. That's why this draft is make or break.
A year from now if the team went 5-11 again, there are still 8 holes to fill, and only 2 rookies look like legitimate NFL pieces, heads are probably going to roll. And they should.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Mar 16, 2012 5:34pm
Agree. You can't find yourself sitting on your hands in free agency (again) with money to spend claiming to build through the draft and still be sucking ass lol.Mulva;1118558 wrote:The 2nd-4th rounds are not later round picks. If you think Hardesty, McCoy, or Lauvao look like good 2nd and 3rd round values at this point you're insane.
It's fine to miss on some guys. But you can't miss on 9/10 guys you take after the 2nd round if you're determined to build entirely through the draft. It's pretty simple. That's why this draft is make or break.
A year from now if the team went 5-11 again, there are still 8 holes to fill, and only 2 rookies look like legitimate NFL pieces, heads are probably going to roll. And they should.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 16, 2012 5:34pm
That is because they CAUGHT many more passes because McCoy COMPLETED 10% more of his throws than Tebow. That alongside the fact that the Browns attempted 140 more passes (570-429) than Denver significantly inflates the YAC numbers that you are comparing. Your comparing apples to oranges. Nice fail, though, Failhook.Skyhook79;1118556 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch
Cleveland has 3 WR's listed before Denver has 1 nice fail.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 16, 2012 5:39pm
Ok, we had $20M to spend... who did you want with that $20M? Now after you decide who you want, what are the chances that those players even WANT to come to the Browns? Just sayin...ytownfootball;1118562 wrote:Agree. You can't find yourself sitting on your hands in free agency (again) with money to spend claiming to build through the draft and still be sucking ass lol.