Paul_1;1280891 wrote:40 400 yard dashes, 12,500 push-ups, 25,000 sit-ups, 10,000 pull-ups, flipping 600 pound tractor tires 10 sets of 20 = 19-1 last 20 games, a state championship, and possibly a look at another deep tournament run....nuff said.......
jaco;1281284 wrote:Classic.
And yet they still look like a team full of slow, skinny white kids.
I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.O-Trap;1280857 wrote:This is an important point to make. Coach Schrock's record after two seasons as Smithville was 2-16-2. Yep, that's two wins, two ties, and sixteen losses.
A football program is like a ship. You can't just put it in reverse. Turning radius creates the possibility for it to take awhile.
I might be wrong, but I am still firmly convinced that a great coach can get the kids to understand the necessity of good attitudes and hard work. In fact, I think that's part of what makes a coach great.mompov;1281476 wrote:I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.
I disagree with 1beast about size and talent. I think it runs in spurts and is not evenly spread about the league teams every year. Dalton, actually, is regularly pretty small comparatively. But I agree that coaching makes a difference.
Another consideration has also been talked about before. That is attitude and hard work. A great coach, with talent and size isn't going anywhere without either. I expect this to be an increasing problem in a society that glorifies youth. The number of students who expect something for nothing is on the increase. If they do not want to sweat in the summer they won't win in the fall. If they think that their talent is good enough to allow them to take it easy in off season, that will show at some point. It would be unfair to say that schools with losing records have lazy students as a whole, there are those who have been taught hard work and recognize it's benefits , but I think this must be considered in cases where there is consistent lack of success. As a parent, I hear about the kids who slack off and don't give 100% for their team. I also think that a school that is regularly successful becomes more prone to take that success for granted and expect that success to continue just because it has in the past. Coaches are important for setting the bar on the work for the reward attitude, but they are sometimes only one voice.
1486, I see Doty staying a while, I hope so anyway. I know a number who don't share that senitiment, but, as we have seen, all coaches have their detractors.
Thats the mindset of many kids these days...if its too hard, then they are not doing it!mompov;1281476 wrote:I agree that it takes time to turn a ship...As I recall Ramsey didn't have that great a start at Dalton either.
I disagree with 1beast about size and talent. I think it runs in spurts and is not evenly spread about the league teams every year. Dalton, actually, is regularly pretty small comparatively. But I agree that coaching makes a difference.
Another consideration has also been talked about before. That is attitude and hard work. A great coach, with talent and size isn't going anywhere without either. I expect this to be an increasing problem in a society that glorifies youth. The number of students who expect something for nothing is on the increase. If they do not want to sweat in the summer they won't win in the fall. If they think that their talent is good enough to allow them to take it easy in off season, that will show at some point. It would be unfair to say that schools with losing records have lazy students as a whole, there are those who have been taught hard work and recognize it's benefits , but I think this must be considered in cases where there is consistent lack of success. As a parent, I hear about the kids who slack off and don't give 100% for their team. I also think that a school that is regularly successful becomes more prone to take that success for granted and expect that success to continue just because it has in the past. Coaches are important for setting the bar on the work for the reward attitude, but they are sometimes only one voice.
1486, I see Doty staying a while, I hope so anyway. I know a number who don't share that senitiment, but, as we have seen, all coaches have their detractors.
O-Trap;1281508 wrote:I might be wrong, but I am still firmly convinced that a great coach can get the kids to understand the necessity of good attitudes and hard work. In fact, I think that's part of what makes a coach great.
Perfect football weather!oldsmithie;1282492 wrote:Looks like a beautiful night for football! Best of luck to the area teams. Play hard and play injury free!
Happy for the Bulldogs as well! And I know football is an emotional sport, but Rittman had 3 players escorted off the field tonight by the officials! Never like to see that!mompov;1282779 wrote:Happy for my Dawgs tonight. With a number of kids sidelined we managed to get a good win and some needed confidence/experience. Still have some improvements to make though, we should have had a couple more scores that we blew.
Have to say I never saw a team get a double personal foul. Thirty yards, wow. The pink shirt parents were getting pretty upset, but can't say I blame them. Some of the calls...well, I'll wait and see what others who were there have to say.
They've had their time in the sun, some of them. If any of them was recognized state-wide by the other powerhouses as a viable opponent, I'd say that makes a compelling case.Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?
Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?
I think some of the kids are just getting to wore down and lose their edge in second half. Listened to the game on the radio and this is what is sounds like to me last 2 weeks.855pride;1282855 wrote:the smithies poor tackling was so hard to watch last night. i knew smith was a hard runner, he went for 200+ against the green last year. smithies even had a few days of one on one full contact open field tackling and that was the result. the green didnt convert one their chances (dropped pass in the endzone in the first). the green had a great first half just like last week but i didnt see any adjustments in the second half again. makes me wonder whats said in the locker room when the bands are playing.
Ummm... Yes you can say they are power houses... You don't have to win championships to be powerhouses but lets think about the number of times that the "old" three have made the playoffs... won playoff games... Waynedale had two final fours in 3 years. Smithville had numerous deep runs with title game appearance... Dalton adds to the playoff wins... Under those three teams it was not uncommon to have one or two of them in the playoffs and making regional finals appearances.... for... about a 20 year period. I think they stack up just as high as any other conference outside of the MAC in small school football.Go Falcons;1282819 wrote:I realize this may not be popular. But I think it could be an interesting conversation. Some thoughts about this Old three vs. the New three thing.
1. Size and demographics of the districts has not really changed or has not favored one district over another.
2. Overall the quality of athletes has not changed ,yes you have up and down years, but Hillsdale is not growing them that much bigger and Dalton that much smaller.
3. All teams face a change in student dedication and commitment. I believe we all have soccer now.
4. There has always been "politics" and parents involved in the game and it effects all teams, and it varies year to year.
5. The "shift in power" is pronounced enough that you can not say its just a blip.
6. The Old three have seen their demise while still under the coaching of the formerly successful.
7. When you compare the WCAL history to other leagues we do not stand out and compared to the MAC we have nothing to show for the last forty years.
When you line it all up can you really say the old three were powerhouses? Can you really say the new three are? We all love WCAL football, but in the big picture is it all that we crack it up to be?