Bloody Toothbrush;1280572 wrote:I'm the one who said I thought it was logical......and I still do.
Maybe we interpreted it differently.......Maybe it offended you somehow.
Are you by chance a Bobcat fan?
no name;1280387 wrote:Pitman, You made a comment earlier something to the effect does Norwayne have such talent in the 2nd, 3rd 4th team players. I think it has been obvious they have alot of talent but its time on here to give a little credit to the hard work they put in the last 2 summers. It kind of went unnoticed on this site but the DR had an article about the training regime Norwayne and West Holmes have went thru. Norwayne did it last year also.
From middle school to high school over 125 kids putting in a mental and physical workout that we never would have done years past. Pushing your body and mind to another level. On the last day of training Norwayne athletes ran 40 400 yard dashes, That is 10 miles in 95 degree heat. Maybe the coaches over there are on to something. Imagine work hard/have success. Ask Maltrich at West Holmes if the program has helped them. Up to number 4 in the state Div3. Look at Waynedale wrestling, lots of time spent out of season working their tails off.
Always hard to know what to do with these starters in this situation. Avoiding injury on one hand, finishing a drive on the other. Unfortunately for a lot of the bulldog starters, many would be playing jv most years and likely doing pretty well. The injuries definitely make me more nervous for this week. A couple weeks ago I would have picked Dalton easily and while I still think they'll win, it will be a little tougherbeverboy1;1279636 wrote:we are limited on kids so it's hard for us to pull all our starters out ! remember we have alot of soph on the field starting . in years past these kids would be playing jv not varsity !!
How much better was the field at Norwayne than Smithville's for the Hillsdale game last year? Had to be bad to move to Cloverleaf for playoff game.99bobcatdb;1280544 wrote:Maybe the fat smithville players would have just got stuck in the mud??? :laugh:
yep, lol because a 50 point lead just isn't safe.:rolleyes:Bobcat;1280748 wrote:I hate to stir it back up but I'm now confused about Kurty66's comment. I think you are actully making wcalfootballfan's point for him. #41 should not have been in the game. The staff is telling #7 to go down but they're still running #41. Unless they're trying to jack up his stats why is he running? If running 1st stringers is open game why is #7 told to go down? I think that's his point. That's what brought up the reference to his prestigious relatives
Being "safe" isn't the goal.1_beast;1280757 wrote:yep, lol because a 50 point lead just isn't safe.:rolleyes:
yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.O-Trap;1280762 wrote:Being "safe" isn't the goal.
Crushing the opponent is. :thumbup:
You know what changed, at least with two of the schools that were so dominant?1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.
If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.
Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.
If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?
Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.
Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.
Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
Ramses and Schrock played a key role in taking kids who weren't really any more talented than kids at any other school and making them winners. It's why coaching is important, and it's why I do understand the frustration of having a coach who doesn't instill the proper attitude and ethic into the players.
This is an important point to make. Coach Schrock's record after two seasons as Smithville was 2-16-2. Yep, that's two wins, two ties, and sixteen losses.1486wd;1280831 wrote:Of course I will give some leeway to the guys in the league in their first couple years. It takes time to get your stamp on a program. Doty at dton for example had a tough way to start-a down time in talent for your start as well as having to replace most of your assistants.
i like this. very deep thinking :thumbup:O-Trap;1280857 wrote:A football program is like a ship. You can't just put it in reverse. Turning radius creates the possibility for it to take awhile.
40 400 yard dashes, 12,500 push-ups, 25,000 sit-ups, 10,000 pull-ups, flipping 600 pound tractor tires 10 sets of 20 = 19-1 last 20 games, a state championship, and possibly a look at another deep tournament run....nuff said.......jaco;1280614 wrote::rolleyes:
Was this before or after they did 5,000 push ups?
Ding Dang I agree with the Beast, HMMMM hope i'm not going down hill to fast. Forget Bobcat he is like trying to tell a liberial the truth.1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.
If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.
Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.
If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?
Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.
Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.
Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
Bobcat;1280748 wrote:I hate to stir it back up but I'm now confused about Kurty66's comment. I think you are actully making wcalfootballfan's point for him. #41 should not have been in the game. The staff is telling #7 to go down but they're still running #41. Unless they're trying to jack up his stats why is he running? If running 1st stringers is open game why is #7 told to go down? I think that's his point. That's what brought up the reference to his prestigious relatives
I can't believe that I have to agree with a Waynedale fan.........what is this world coming too................1_beast;1280785 wrote:yep...lol and 50 points isn't a crushing.
If you go back and read, it was stated that the varsity starters do indeed NEED to stay in and play, otherwise they aren't conditioned for 4 quarters of gametime football come playoffs. I completely agree that the starters SHOULD get their touches. it is the opponents responsibilty to stop them.
Why should kids suffer and be benched for being good, playing well and winning? They shouldn't.
If you can't beat em or stop em, or at least slow them down, you better start doing things different, because what you're doing obviously aint working. I wondered for years why Norwayne/Hillsdale/Chippewa couldnt compete....why Waynedale/Dalton/Smithville was always dominant?
Well...I guess some change was made at some of the schools....and results have changed too.
Face it, the schools are made up of the same type kids...thhe same approx size....the stats should basically be balanced across the board. Look at the MAC. THAT is balance.
Here you have 3 dominant schools for 40 years, a few changes and now you have 2-3 other school putting their hat in the ring.
As with most bobcat fans father.....Paul;1280901 wrote: Forget Bobcat he is like trying to tell a liberial the truth.
Of the three years I dressed at Smithville (freshmen didn't dress varsity except in playoff games), there were only three regular season losses. One was to the Huskies. As such, this will always be a game with some personal baggage attached to it for me. I'm REALLY pulling for the men in green on Friday night, and I'll be there to cheer them on.oldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
GO Greenoldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
O-Trap;1280803 wrote:You know what changed, at least with two of the schools that were so dominant?
Coaching.
Same thing, it appears, with coaching at two of the new elites. The Bobcats and the Falcons have a VERY solid coaching staff to work with. If they stick around, their coaching could be the difference in a lot of seasons.
Eras of dominance that transcend the possibility of luck giving one school a really talented class ... ESPECIALLY in an area where all the teams are pretty much equally talented ... is pretty firm evidence to me that coaching and the program are as key to winning as the athletes. Having studs isn't enough. Heck, look at the Cleveland Knights team that Rittman lost to. FULL of athletes. Guys who played for respected bigger schools (Buchtel, St. Ed's, Glenville, etc.). Yet their only win this season came against Rittman, and the last game I heard about resulted in them getting CRUSHED by some Canadian team. They have no discipline. The coaches haven't built the program around winning.
It really does make a difference. I'll take great coaching and hard-working athletes over mediocre coaching and extremely talented, but lazy, athletes any day.
oldsmithie;1280935 wrote:Just a little back ground on the Smithville/Northwestern game. These two schools played for the first time in 1964, Smithville holds an all time series record of 32 wins and 15 losses. Over the last 10 years Smithville has won 7 and lost 3. Last years game was a high scoring affair with Smithville pulling out a 56-39 win. If Smithville does not keep the intensity level up, this could be a long night for the Smithies! It looks like the weather will be good this Friday and hopefully this will be an exciting game.
I'm not forgetting at all. The crowd was always a great motivator, and it's true that all of those help, but a well-coached team (who will do plenty of pushups and 40s if the coach is worth his salt) can win all by themselves. When you train like it's you against the world, you can play like it's you against the world.MOUNTAINBEAR;1281090 wrote:Push-ups are push-ups, 40yd dash is 40 yd dash, coaching absolutely, but your forgetting about the community that surrounds the program. plays important role. So when all those things fall into place. BAM! You get what Norwayne has now. Darn good football team\