Iliketurtles;963221 wrote:No conclusions have been made go ****ing read the PDF file of the Grand Jury testimony those are the facts. Now I don't think Joe Pa should be raped is jail but its saddening that he allowed this guy to continuely come on to the PSU campus with young children. Its mind boggling how he never went to the police. And its insane that Sandusky was still allowed to set foot on the PSU campus as late as last week. Its ****ing sickening that someone like you with a 3 month old daughter would be standing up for someone who let all of happen.

Im just not jumping to conclusions on a trial based on testimony. The ga could be lying under oath for god knows what reason. I agree if he was told about it and did nothing he should be punished for it. If he could have stopped it and didn't then that's fucked up. And btw I have a 16 month old daughter and I would go ape shit if someone did that to her.

"The ga could be lying under oath for god knows what reason."

No reason, it is McQueary, the guy is as effed as Paterno. McQueary likely made some mistakes but he's testifying now. What reason did he have to lie?

I agree I believe him im just saying people are jumping to too many conclusions over his testimony. At least let everyone tell there story

Crimson streak;963327 wrote:I agree I believe him im just saying people are jumping to too many conclusions over his testimony. At least let everyone tell there story

Who's story are you waiting on?

They told their story. I doubt little will change from the Grand Jury testimony until the trial. What else hasn't been told?

Crimson streak;963308 wrote:Im just not jumping to conclusions on a trial based on testimony. The ga could be lying under oath for god knows what reason. I agree if he was told about it and did nothing he should be punished for it. If he could have stopped it and didn't then that's fucked up. And btw I have a 16 month old daughter and I would go ape shit if someone did that to her.

Thats fine that you don't want to jump to conclusions but where back in 1998 Sandusky ADMITTED to doing things to a 10 year old kid that is when Paterno should have stopped this(or at least made it so Sandusky wasn't doing it at PSU and made is so that way Sandusky no longer had an affiliation with PSU). But he never did anything. Also sorry about messing up how old your daughter was I just remember you mentioning you had one and she was fairly young.

I just hope the people who covered this up go to jail .. they make me sick

Crimson streak;963308 wrote:Im just not jumping to conclusions on a trial based on testimony. The ga could be lying under oath for god knows what reason. I agree if he was told about it and did nothing he should be punished for it. If he could have stopped it and didn't then that's ****ed up. And btw I have a 16 month old daughter and I would go ape **** if someone did that to her.

Paterno himself said to the GJ that it was reported to him that there was sexual misconduct in the shower involving a minor and he reported it to the AD. Now the question is are you naive enough to believe that Paterno, aware of past allegations couldn't figure out that something was going on? Even sexual misconduct w/o the gory details is enough to know that this should be looked into at the very least. And that is if you believe Paterno's story...that is a best case scenario for him. I for one am not stupid enough to believe that he couldn't have gotten to the bottom of this if he wanted to.

Was listening to Dan Patrick show on my way to the office, he was interviewing someone (can't remember who) who would be at the presser today. He stated he would not follow PSU's guideline and stick to Nebraska related questions, he will also be asking about the scandal.

greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Going to Joe Pa press conference. Was told not to ask non-football questions. I didn't come here to talk fullbacks




Does anyone know where this will be streamed online?

This should be an interesting, although probably short, press conference.

Actually looks like it will be available at 12:30 here:

http://www.gopsusports.com/allaccess/

Crimson streak;963327 wrote:I agree I believe him im just saying people are jumping to too many conclusions over his testimony. At least let everyone tell there story

Don't know what you're waiting for or hoping to see here. It's pretty clear the entire chain of authority (where Paterno is at the top, regardless of what other positions they might technically have) covered this up, starting back with the first reports in 1998.

So despite having forced him to retire for this stuff, Paterno still allowed Sandusky to have an office and keys to the PSU facilities (until this past week). How many more children do you think Sandusky molested from 1998 on that authorities don't know about?

All of those molestations are the direct result of this cover up. Whether it can be proven legally really doesn't matter at this point. Morally, they're all guilty of not doing the right thing and aiding a child rapist by letting him roam freely for 13 years.

There can be no other conclusion.

You go ahead and hope for a different outcome, but the facts are already pretty clear.

Fab1b;963338 wrote:Was listening to Dan Patrick show on my way to the office, he was interviewing someone (can't remember who) who would be at the presser today. He stated he would not follow PSU's guideline and stick to Nebraska related questions, he will also be asking about the scandal.

Heard several people today on various radio shows say the same thing. I am a Paterno fan, but he should have to answer these questions. I know it is senior day and the focus will be taken away from the players who had absolutely no hand in any of this, but Joe needs to be pressed on this and he needs to answer questions. At this point, the prosecution has said he is in no way a suspect. He is also not a first hand witness, therefore he can not hide behind the "I can't answer questions because I was advised/ordered not to by the prosecutor or by my attorney." McQueary on the other hand should not answer any questions. The prosecution does not want their material witnesses saying anything publicly.

This story is terrible and with each passing day it gets worse. No way Paterno survives this because there is no way he can prove what he did or didn't know. The fallout will be too great for the Board to allow him to remain the HFC. Very sad all around this story no matter what or who you believe.

Writerbuckeye;963351 wrote:Don't know what you're waiting for or hoping to see here. It's pretty clear the entire chain of authority (where Paterno is at the top, regardless of what other positions they might technically have) covered this up, starting back with the first reports in 1998.

So despite having forced him to retire for this stuff, Paterno still allowed Sandusky to have an office and keys to the PSU facilities (until this past week). How many more children do you think Sandusky molested from 1998 on that authorities don't know about?

All of those molestations are the direct result of this cover up. Whether it can be proven legally really doesn't matter at this point. Morally, they're all guilty of not doing the right thing and aiding a child rapist by letting him roam freely for 13 years.

There can be no other conclusion.

You go ahead and hope for a different outcome, but the facts are already pretty clear.

I want to know what happened after joe told the ad. I want to know what went on with that whole situation. I can understand joe pa's situation. Jerry was a friend of his and he didn't want to be the guy responsible for turning him in so he told his higher up to have them tell the police. My guess was the higher ups told paterno to keep his mouth shut or he's gone. Either way paterno fucked up and he's going to pay the price for it

Crimson streak;963368 wrote:My guess was the higher ups told paterno to keep his mouth shut or he's gone.

Do you honestly believe anyone told Paterno anything? I think it's just as likely the other way around. Although I was(am?) a huge Joe Paterno fan.

Crimson streak;963368 wrote:I want to know what happened after joe told the ad. I want to know what went on with that whole situation. I can understand joe pa's situation. Jerry was a friend of his and he didn't want to be the guy responsible for turning him in so he told his higher up to have them tell the police. My guess was the higher ups told paterno to keep his mouth shut or he's gone. Either way paterno fucked up and he's going to pay the price for it

Right now the stuff from 2002 is not what I'm wondering about its everything from 1998. Why did nothing every happen to Sandusky back then. What happened with the prosecutor who was killed a few years after Sandusky admitted to doing things to a 10 yeard old but decided not to press any charges. And most importantly why was Sandusky still allowed to come onto PSU campus, have an office and keys to the facilities and still allowed to bring young boys onto the campus/football sidelines.

FatHobbit;963392 wrote:Do you honestly believe anyone told Paterno anything? I think it's just as likely the other way around. Although I was(am?) a huge Joe Paterno fan.

Yeah. Remember when OSU stuff starting happening and Gordon Gee made his "I'm just hoping coach doesn't fire me!" comment in response to a question asked about Tressel's security? Now add about 500 years of tenure and the fact that Paterno is the complete face of that program (and by proxy, the school) and I find it hard to believe he simply was told to shut up or he's gone. This is JoePa, not some random "here today, gone tomorrow" sort of coach.

FatHobbit;963392 wrote:Do you honestly believe anyone told Paterno anything? I think it's just as likely the other way around. Although I was(am?) a huge Joe Paterno fan.

reps for 100% agreeing with you..JoePa IS Penn State

FatHobbit;963392 wrote:Do you honestly believe anyone told Paterno anything?

Absolutely, which as a relative of several PSU alums, saddens me greatly.

jdubs88 John Walters
Here an hour early and presser line is larger than Paternoville. No lie.

Iliketurtles;963393 wrote:Right now the stuff from 2002 is not what I'm wondering about its everything from 1998. Why did nothing every happen to Sandusky back then. What happened with the prosecutor who was killed a few years after Sandusky admitted to doing things to a 10 yeard old but decided not to press any charges. And most importantly why was Sandusky still allowed to come onto PSU campus, have an office and keys to the facilities and still allowed to bring young boys onto the campus/football sidelines.

I disagree. The 1998 incident could have been an isolated one with a parent that wanted paid (not saying that is what it was.) I am saying that people who work with kids have things investigated all the time that are false claims from agry parents or kids with a gripe unrelated to anything sexual and they use it to get attention, $$$ or whatever. Remember this was investigated and not charged, so as the HFC you may say OK, they checked on it and said it was false, so we move on, not forgotten, but we move on.

The 2002 incident added to the 1998 one would have made me, as the HFC, say hey this is more than smoke now. That is where the issue comes to light. That is the questions I want answered.

Breaking: Penn State and Pres Spanier cancels Joe Pa's weekly press conference.

Chickenshit motherfuckers. YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND FACE IT NOT HIDE.

Wow chicken shits is correct

Not sure why people are surprised Penn State canceled presser. When in this entire matter have they actually stood up? Cowards.