Absolute PR nightmare in State College. First you have the scandal and all of its widespread and horrific implications.

Then you have a senile old head coach and an incompetent president that want to hide their heads in the sand.

Absolute horseshit, IMO.

Falcons53;963431 wrote:I disagree. The 1998 incident could have been an isolated one with a parent that wanted paid (not saying that is what it was.) I am saying that people who work with kids have things investigated all the time that are false claims from agry parents or kids with a gripe unrelated to anything sexual and they use it to get attention, $$$ or whatever. Remember this was investigated and not charged, so as the HFC you may say OK, they checked on it and said it was false, so we move on, not forgotten, but we move on.

The 2002 incident added to the 1998 one would have made me, as the HFC, say hey this is more than smoke now. That is where the issue comes to light. That is the questions I want answered.

I've tried to avoid reading too much about this (although I did read most of the PDF). There are things I just don't want to know or think about. However, given your explanation above, my question is, did the 1998 incident have anything to do with his resignation as a coach in 1999? For some reason, I was under the impression (could be wrong) that he was informed he wasn't in line to be the head coach any longer and that his resignation was spurred by the 1998 incident.

If his resignation had anything to do with that incident, the school obviously wasn't buying it as a false allegation. If it was enough to have him walk away from the coaching position, there is no reasonable explanation as to why it wouldn't be enough to disassociate from him completely or at the least, not promote his involvement with a children's organization or enable him with full access/status at the school.

Obviously, if the two (1998 incident and resignation) were not related, my point isn't valid.

I firmly believe his sudden retirement stemmed from the 98 allegations but of course we will never know. When he retired alot of people were very very surprised!

If there is a legal reason for not being allowed to comment, then you put Joe Pa's lawyer up there with him and have him advise on what not to comment. You can't just hide from this forever.

Saying nothing is way more damning than saying something. Somebody over there needs to step up to a microphone.


Board of Trustees has to step in now. Pres Spanier is making a mockery of a fine institution.

chicago510;963442 wrote:Breaking: Penn State and Pres Spanier cancels Joe Pa's weekly press conference.

Chickenshit motherfuckers. YOU HAVE TO STAND UP AND FACE IT NOT HIDE.

I think hes been having a press conference during the season every Tuesday forever(Can't remember how many years exactly its been)?

What a pussy thing to cancel. But Im not surprised I figured they would cancel it.

PSU scrambling.

Another victim comes forward

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_police_man_comes_forward.html

He gone

Crimson streak;963368 wrote:I want to know what happened after joe told the ad. I want to know what went on with that whole situation. I can understand joe pa's situation. Jerry was a friend of his and he didn't want to be the guy responsible for turning him in so he told his higher up to have them tell the police. My guess was the higher ups told paterno to keep his mouth shut or he's gone. Either way paterno ****ed up and he's going to pay the price for it

So you are naive enough to believe that Paterno couldn't do anything about this situation? You seriously believe the school was going to fire him for coming forward with this? And for the record I don't care how close of a friend you are, or if I am going to lose my job over it (which is ludicrous to believe Paterno was going to)If i found out something like this, I am stopping it, regardless of the personal outcome for me.

JerseyBuck;963462 wrote:PSU scrambling.

Another victim comes forward

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_police_man_comes_forward.html

I won't be surprised if many more come forward.

Iliketurtles;963461 wrote:I think hes been having a press conference during the season every Tuesday forever(Can't remember how many years exactly its been)?

What a pussy thing to cancel. But Im not surprised I figured they would cancel it.

You might be on to something here. What if Joe Pa no longer has an obligation to have a presser? (ie--fired, suspended, admin leave?)

Decision came from the President, which is odd in a football context.

Either way, somebody has to speak. My heart aches for these kids and no one will stand up for them and admit wrongdoing.

Falcons53;963431 wrote:I disagree. The 1998 incident could have been an isolated one with a parent that wanted paid (not saying that is what it was.) I am saying that people who work with kids have things investigated all the time that are false claims from agry parents or kids with a gripe unrelated to anything sexual and they use it to get attention, $$$ or whatever. Remember this was investigated and not charged, so as the HFC you may say OK, they checked on it and said it was false, so we move on, not forgotten, but we move on.

But isn't this the incident that he admitted to doing stuff? And it was recorded?

Iliketurtles;963474 wrote:I won't be surprised if many more come forward.

Agree. No way this "just started" in 1998.

Iliketurtles;963474 wrote:I won't be surprised if many more come forward.

He ran a whole charity for underprivileged youth. Aka his own personal brothel. Absolutely sickening.

God grand those kids (now adults) the courage to come forward and speak out.

Cancelling the presser is probably the worst thing possible they could have done. At least have someone make some kind of statement. The media sharks are really going to circle now, twitter is going bananas.

I think its becoming more and more obvious that no one can survive this. From Pres Spanier to Joe Pa down to McQuery.

How can any of these men run an institution that educates the youth of America when they obviously have a heinous disregard for what's right/wrong?

karen lotz;963483 wrote:Cancelling the presser is probably the worst thing possible they could have done. At least have someone make some kind of statement. The media sharks are really going to circle now, twitter is going bananas.

Exactly. Media members don't like being told what to ask, or to go away. You have to give them something or they will just make your life worse.

Not looking good in State College

Also, Grantland had an excellent piece on all of this :http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

chicago510;963480 wrote:He ran a whole charity for underprivileged youth. Aka his own personal brothel. Absolutely sickening.

God grand those kids (now adults) the courage to come forward and speak out.

You think that this still wasn't going on? I wouldnt be suprised if kids who are still under 18 come forward. But I agree I hope every kid that he every did anything with comes forward. I hope that we can get the full story of everything that happened. Sadly I doubt it does happen.

Chicago whats more amazing is he adopted 6 kids as well and some from his programs.

Chicago I also read that article and thought it was a great read.

Lulz at what was given to the assembled media...

Iliketurtles;963490 wrote:Chicago whats more amazing is he adopted 6 kids as well and some from his programs.

I don't know if its been mentioned, but I believe one of them is an assistant to the Browns' GM. He took a leave of absence yesterday.

Joe Pa will also not be on the B1G conference call that is scheduled for 1:20 today.

LOL at that notice. Seriously its not on any letterhead and not signed. Could Penn State be handling this any worse?

Karen I don't think anyone had mentioned that on this thread but I do remember reading that.

karen lotz;963491 wrote:Lulz at what was given to the assembled media...

LOL FAIL. Worst press release ever? God help those fucking inept administrators.

Iliketurtles;963490 wrote:You think that this still wasn't going on? I wouldnt be suprised if kids who are still under 18 come forward. But I agree I hope every kid that he every did anything with comes forward. I hope that we can get the full story of everything that happened. Sadly I doubt it does happen.

Chicago whats more amazing is he adopted 6 kids as well and some from his programs.

Chicago I also read that article and thought it was a great read.

No, you're right there could be more younger kids. I was mainly referring to the 1998 kids, who are likely now adults.

The whole thing is sickening. This guy was enabled, by high ranking PSU employees, to turn a youth charity into a brothel IN PENN STATES LOCKER ROOM.

And now nobody wants to say anything about it? GTFO

chicago510;963503 wrote:No, you're right there could be more younger kids. I was mainly referring to the 1998 kids, who are likely now adults.

The whole thing is sickening. This guy was enabled, by high ranking PSU employees, to turn a youth charity into a brothel IN PENN STATES LOCKER ROOM.

And now nobody wants to say anything about it? GTFO

Ah I gotcha and I completely agree with everything else you said.

WebFire;963477 wrote:But isn't this the incident that he admitted to doing stuff? And it was recorded?

I would like to read the transcript of that call. They way it has been reported is that he said what he did was inappropriate and he wished he was dead. That seems pretty damning to me. I doubt that Paterno heard that call back in 1998. The police did not release it until now. Again, I am not defending what Paterno or anyone else did from 2002 on. I am only saying that if they were close friends for 30 years and this happened and the police/prosecutors closd the case, He would move on from it.

I do believe that the fact that the incident happened is why he was told he would not be the next HFC, if for no other reason than the day he was hired, someone would have dug this up and the school would have to deal with it even it was false. What happened from there is where this gets very bad.

As for the press conference, horse pucky!!