Mulva;936160 wrote:I completely disagree with that. A bad GM or coach can be fired, but a bad hands-on owner can fuck you for decades.

I love that he's hands off and let's football people make the football decisions, while at the same time he isn't afraid to spend as much money as is needed to fix the (repeated) bad mistakes this organization makes.

OQB;936175 wrote:What about the Rooney's for the Steelers, Robert Kraft and the Patriots, They are football people that care about the organization and winning football games, not just about making themselves money.

DeyDurkie5;935902 wrote:mike holmgren coached the team this year?

like_that;936360 wrote:Also, I have no idea why he wasn't starting Little to begin with.

BR1986FB;936395 wrote:No, but if this keeps up there's a good chance he will in 2012.

Writerbuckeye;937986 wrote:
That said, Shurmur needs to fire himself as OC and bring in someone to do that full time. It's obvious he can't handle both duties. He's made far too many rookie mistakes in the process. Focus on putting the best TEAM on the field, and pay attention to what's happening on the field instead of trying to figure out what the offense will be doing next time out.

Writerbuckeye;937986 wrote:Well, the original premise of this thread is wrong because Hillis was hurt, not being held out.

That said, Shurmur needs to fire himself as OC and bring in someone to do that full time. It's obvious he can't handle both duties. He's made far too many rookie mistakes in the process. Focus on putting the best TEAM on the field, and pay attention to what's happening on the field instead of trying to figure out what the offense will be doing next time out.

sleeper;938019 wrote:I'll reserve judgement on Shurmer at least this year. I think people forget he lost a lot of time due to the lockout and the team clearly is not fully clicking on the offense yet.

OhioStatePride2003;938310 wrote:This.

This team had a new QB (save the 8 games in '10, he got screwed by Mangini), a new offense, a new defense, a new head coach, new players and a lockout to deal with. It cracks me up that fans are already calling for Shurmur to be fired. Obviously Holmgren knows something we don't and, given the cirumstances this season, is probably evaluating Shurmur as much as he is the players. If it keeps-up, maybe Holmgren has a plan in place to become the next head coach, and keep Shurmur on as his OC.

Browns fans are the worst. This team is 2-3 and could just as easily be 3-2. Compared to what we've seen from this team since their return, 2-3 is a slight improvement. They're never satisfied with what we have. That's understandable with the product on the field this season, but again, given the cirumstances, what'd you really expect? 16-0? Anyone who doesn't see that this team is FINALLY heading in the right direction for the first time in over a decade, can jump ship and root for another team for all I care. They have a competent front office, which is a start, and, contrary to popular belief, success doesn't happen with the hiring of an inexperienced head coach, a new offense, a first year starter at QB, new players/lack of proper personnel, in just one year.

To be fair, however, some Browns fans wouldn't be satisfied with even an 8-8 record this season.

IggyPride00;937510 wrote:The Shurmur hire was bizarre at best when you consider that his offenses in St. Louis the past 2 years were hardly anything worth writing home about. It's not like he was some whiz kid tearing up the NFL.

Then he compounded the problem by allowing a rookie head coach with only 2 years experience as an O-coordinator to call his own plays and be his own O-coordinator.

Has anyone with a resume that thin ever been given that type of responsibility before?

I want to believe in Holmgren, but how did he not see how that could potentially be a huge problem?

BR1986FB;938000 wrote:Agree with this. He can't effectively handle BOTH duties.

shook_17;938403 wrote:this. i said this when we first hired shurmur and everybody told me to give dude a break. "look what he had to work with in st. louis." why doesn't gill haskell come down and call the plays? or even holmgren?

Commander of Awesome;938408 wrote:lol holmgren has way more to do than to watch tape and develop a game plan. Calling plays isn't easy and requires a lot of work.

shook_17;938412 wrote:no shit its not easy. but he wants this team to win doesn't he? step up, take charge. name an OC or something obviously "your guy" cant do the job.