Thinthickbigred;515793 wrote:status quo is what your going to keep getting . and when the playoffs arive and Steubenville gets to travel to Canton to play Canal fulton northwest again evem though they are an 8 seed thats fine .. Too many teams are in the field as it is . I love football so Im used to it now . @ Viking do you see any flaws in the present format?

If there are any flaws in the present format, they're too insignificant to screw with. Ohio's playoff format is ranked as one of the best in the country for a reason.

First game home site is plenty.

Apple;516219 wrote:First game home site is plenty.

Yep.

I dont like the fact that you have 2 have turf. WHY do peaple cry about this??? The game should be played the right way ON GRASS.

Viking;515724 wrote:No.

What's it to you? IF....Akron North EVER makes the playoffs, they'll travel to the #1 seeded teams home stadium, then head back home and pack up the equiptment until the next season rolls around anyway.

skank;516366 wrote:What's it to you? IF....Akron North EVER makes the playoffs, they'll travel to the #1 seeded teams home stadium, then head back home and pack up the equiptment until the next season rolls around anyway.

Umm. It's like you talking about state football titles. Massillon doesn't have ANY that were EARNED on the field. North has state basketball titles, cross country, titles and a track title. I'm not talking about poll titles where votes can be bought. I'm talking about titles that were earned.

I follow Newark Catholic and I'm not sure when Bridgeport or any other se school came to our area to play. We always have to go to Dover or Canton.

Hogger53;515806 wrote:One week is more than enough, quite frankly, no home field advantage. The computer system is for crap, especially for the smaller divisions. Just ask the MAC schools who beat each other up and get the shaft when it comes to computer points.
I've seen many 8th seed teams go far in the region, just happened last year with St Henry. Thank god they even went to an 8 team region, or they would have never made the playoffs, and that epic 4 OT thriller with Coldwater would of never happened.

The MAC get shafted, don't they get like 5 or so teams in the playoffs almost every year?? Coldwater, DSJ, Anna, St. Henry, Marion Local are very regulars in the post season. Most conferences would love to get shafted that bad.

One home game is enough, could be hard for lower seeded teams that may have not had home games at the end of the season, not expecting to go far in the playoff to be able to host a team. No left over concession food help harder to come by etc.

Viking;516671 wrote:Umm. It's like you talking about state football titles. Massillon doesn't have ANY that were EARNED on the field. North has state basketball titles, cross country, titles and a track title. I'm not talking about poll titles where votes can be bought. I'm talking about titles that were earned.

Great, why don't you go over to the Basketball, cross country, and or track forums and let the men talk here?

Thinthickbigred;515713 wrote:in pennsylvania the higher seed gets 4 home games and then plays at Hienz and then onto Hershy Park. In other words a team may play a away game upset somebody then play at home then away then home . WVA higher seed plays at home till title game. Total of 3 playoff games smaller state I know . Pa is 6 playoff games . What does Texas and Florida do . What does Indiana ,Kentucky and Michigan do? I only propose 2 home dates for the higher seed . I dont think that is out of line . i think politics and envelopes with money are involved with the Ohio way of this playoff system.

Have to throw the red flag on that PIAA comment.

First, the PIAA is broken down into twelve autonomous regions. The most notable in our area is District 7 (WPIAL). District 8 is the Pittsburgh City League, and District 10 comprises northwest Pennsylvania.

In the WPIAL, the top 16 in every classification make the playoffs. Which allows 16 of 24 in 4A to qualify, while only roughly 16 or 40+ in 2A. Secondly, only the first game is a home game for the higher seed. After that, it's all neutral site in the WPIAL up to and including the WPIAL title games at Heinz Field.

The Pittsburgh City League comprises of teams in 3A and 4A. The top four qualify for the PCL playoffs. The two games are played at Cupples Stadium (same stadium ALL PCL home games are played), and the final is played at Heinz Field on a Thursday night usually. The champion qualifies for the PIAA playoffs in their classification. if they're 4A, the best 3A team qualifies for the playoffs (i.e., if they lose the title game to a 4A, they still qualify with loss to the 3A state playoffs). If no 3A team qualifies for the title game, the highest ranked 3A team (even if they didn't qualify for the PCL playoffs) will still make the PIAA playoffs. I do believe they have to have a winning record, but I think that has changed as I've seen many losing record teams qualify for the PIAA playoffs.

Now, in District 10, 1A, 2A, and 3A all have two regions. The top four out of the regions qualify. ALL games are neutral sites. Usually at Erie Veterans' Memorial Stadium, Slippery Rock University, West Minster University or Edinboro University (and now with Youngsville and further northeast schools, I think Corry, Warren, Oil City, etc host playoff games). D10 always likes to play playoff games at fieldturf stadiums. But all games are neutral. I know that from years of following my alma mater up there in the playoffs. If you're down south in D10, it's Wilmington or Slippery Rock. if you're up north, it's EVMS, Erie McDowell, or Edinboro hosting the game.

Now, the PCL champions does sometimes get a PIAA game at Cupples Stadium. I know Perry Traditional in 3A has played many 'neutral' site games at Cupples because the PIAA doesn't recognize Cupples as a home venue for any PCL team. They're always considered neutral site games in the regular season as the field doesn't belong to just any of the 9 PCL schools.

So Greenville, for instance, has had to travel to decrepit Cupples Stadium 90 miles to play a team from just a few miles away rather than a neutral site such as Wexford (North Allegheny), New Castle, etc.



Now, getting back from that tangent, I'm against this idea.

Firstly, the OHSAA playoffs use a hard bracket. The winner of 1/8 plays the winner of 4/5. Winner of 2/7 plays winner of 3/6. Under the current setup, if 8 and 5 win, while 2 and 3 win, 8 plays 5 and 2 plays 3. In order for this change to work would require rebracketing which would require the results of all games to be finalized in order to know who your opponent is going to be. Plus, if schools are playing a Friday night round of the playoffs at their home field on a Saturday because their stadium lacks adequate lighting, you may have to wait until Saturday afternoon to know whether you're playing home or away, or who you're playing.

Logistically, neutral sites for the later rounds work fine. As mentioned many times, better neutral sites would be appreciated.

To single out Steubenville, their predicament is that we bring a ton of fans and there's no adequate stadium equidistant between us and the opponent on most weeks. Hence Austintown, Canton, Massillon, etc. even if the opponent is only a few miles away.

I'd rather see Big Red play in Canton against certain schools than say, East Liverpool, Beaver Local, etc. As long as the OHSAA is funding the transportation and they feel that the better venue is worth the cost overall, I see no need to change it.

Sykotyk

skank;517831 wrote:Great, why don't you go over to the Basketball, cross country, and or track forums and let the men talk here?

I'm here to enlighten you are the other peons. You can talk with your male friend anywhere. It isn't my business.

Sykotyk,


I thought that you took your opponent's seed if you beat them. For example 8 beats a 1 and 5 beats a 4. The 8 is considered the 1 and the 5 considered the 4. I thought they did it that way when it came to who was the home team at the neutral field.

One home game is fine, other wise I wouldn't get to see all those awsome games at our stadium.

No.

It must be nice living inStark county or Youngstown area . Those area get atleast 20 playoff games a year . We would be very lucky to get 3 . Zanesville is another lucky spot . they get 4 or five every year. I still think since the state keeps expanding the playoff system they should give the higher seeded teams another game. You should be rewarded better .Also a 5 seed could get a home game in week 12 . That would be a pleasant suprise

looks like BRIDGEPORT gets no love and will have 2 travel 1 hour 15 min and newark catholic about 30 min.

I don't think the seeding system is precise enough to be the basis for second round home game.

The current system does an excellent job of getting the top 16 teams into the playoffs in each division. Beyond that point the teams are usually too evenly matched for one team to deserve -tremendous- advantage of a home game.

you think because the computer thinks the top 4 teams are the top 4 teams in the region that they should get 2 home games. I dont think so!

Cat Food Flambe';549562 wrote:I don't think the seeding system is precise enough to be the basis for second round home game.

The current system does an excellent job of getting the top 16 teams into the playoffs in each division. Beyond that point the teams are usually too evenly matched for one team to deserve -tremendous- advantage of a home game.

agreed

bigkahuna;518744 wrote:Sykotyk,


I thought that you took your opponent's seed if you beat them. For example 8 beats a 1 and 5 beats a 4. The 8 is considered the 1 and the 5 considered the 4. I thought they did it that way when it came to who was the home team at the neutral field.

No seeds don't change, just that the bracket spot is who gets to be the home seating at wherever the next game is played. for example #7 Twinsburg is the upper line on the bracket and #3 Whitmer is the lower bracket line so their game at Ashland will have Twinsburg as the home seating and Whitmer as the "spacious" visitor seating at Ashland stadium.

I remember a few years ago we (St. Marys Memorial) were the lower part of the bracket to Sunbury Big Walnut. We were playing at Indian Lake's Stadium, which had a visitor side of about 500. OHSAA rewarded us the Home Side while giving SBW everything else home related (unis, locker room...) because we travel a lot better than they do. I think that is the biggest part of the discussion.

You go to stadiums and the top seed fills 1/2 of the home stands, while the visitors side is overflowing BADLY. Obviously the above example doesn't apply to everyone, but I think sometimes you can determine crowd size and should plan accordingly as far as seating goes.