So even though the 87 year old hardly mobile lady had here back to the cop, the best way to handle it was not to grab the knife hand or even bear hug her, but to slam her down like that?

Ok. I see.

Heelz;464440 wrote:No I'm saying they are trained to react, they asked multiple times she did not comply they made her comply.

Ok. I agree with you on that. I think they did fine in the situation.

However some people were saying she's lucky she didn't get shot/tazed/etc. That would not have been fine. Seeing the situation is important. They did at least see most of it in this case. Otherwise they would have tazed her. So it's good that these officers realized that she probably wasn't too much of a threat (though still had to get the knife).

Officers do make mistakes sometimes though. I was speaking to a patrolman last weekend and he told me about how he was driving a new Sergeant around one day and this guy wanted to pick up every single person who didn't properly stop at a stop sign (like, stop 1 2 3, go). Anyway, the patrolman was all "let's just take care of the guys literally not stopping". But I digress, on the way back to the station there was a man walking in the road and he started to walk out in front of the car so the patrolman had to slam on the breaks leaving a nice rubber trail. The officer got out and noticed he was carrying a beer bottle and a newspaper and was walking across the road. He told the man to stop but he wouldn't and so he approached him, noting that there was a neighbor screaming and yelling. So he's thinking that this guy stole something or did something and goes to grab the guy but he pushes off from him. Just as he is about to slam the guy to the ground to arrest him he notices the sergeant is screaming "let him go let him go!". Turns out the man was mentally handicapped and was getting the mail. On the side of the road he found a beer bottle and picked it up so he could throw it away.

The point of this story is that had the officer slammed the man he'd have been crucified in the paper (which is understandable because people would only see that he slammed a mentally handicapped person and wouldn't have the whole story). So just because an officer does something that is heinous doesn't mean that he necessarily is a bad guy. Perhaps he didn't see the whole situation or notice something. Which is why it's so important for them to be trained and aware of the situation so they can make the correct decision. Like they did in this case.

Would you be bear hugging or grabbing the bloody hand an old lady that is bleeding from an open wound on her hand that may or may not have a disease?

I Wear Pants;464451 wrote:Ok. I agree with you on that. I think they did fine in the situation.

However some people were saying she's lucky she didn't get shot/tazed/etc. That would not have been fine. Seeing the situation is important. They did at least see most of it in this case. Otherwise they would have tazed her. So it's good that these officers realized that she probably wasn't too much of a threat (though still had to get the knife).

Officers do make mistakes sometimes though. I was speaking to a patrolman last weekend and he told me about how he was driving a new Sergeant around one day and this guy wanted to pick up every single person who didn't properly stop at a stop sign (like, stop 1 2 3, go). Anyway, the patrolman was all "let's just take care of the guys literally not stopping". But I digress, on the way back to the station there was a man walking in the road and he started to walk out in front of the car so the patrolman had to slam on the breaks leaving a nice rubber trail. The officer got out and noticed he was carrying a beer bottle and a newspaper and was walking across the road. He told the man to stop but he wouldn't and so he approached him, noting that there was a neighbor screaming and yelling. So he's thinking that this guy stole something or did something and goes to grab the guy but he pushes off from him. Just as he is about to slam the guy to the ground to arrest him he notices the sergeant is screaming "let him go let him go!". Turns out the man was mentally handicapped and was getting the mail. On the side of the road he found a beer bottle and picked it up so he could throw it away.

The point of this story is that had the officer slammed the man he'd have been crucified in the paper (which is understandable because people would only see that he slammed a mentally handicapped person and wouldn't have the whole story). So just because an officer does something that is heinous doesn't mean that he necessarily is a bad guy. Perhaps he didn't see the whole situation or notice something. Which is why it's so important for them to be trained and aware of the situation so they can make the correct decision. Like they did in this case.

I agree had they tazed or shot her it would have been the wrong move 100% but let's be honest, we've seen cops do dumber stuff.

The only reason Wiggin posted this is because the cop is white and the victim is black. He is a race baiter just like his idol Al Sharpton. Old age does not give you permission to walk around a crowded parking lot with a knife in your hand.

Well I mean, you are allowed to walk around with a knife. You just aren't allowed to threaten people.

I Wear Pants;464471 wrote:Well I mean, you are allowed to walk around with a knife. You just aren't allowed to threaten people.

Brandishing is illegal in Ohio and is considered a threatening move. Whitehall also is quite the hotbed for criminal activity

You're right. Holstered is cool though right?

Ender Wiggin;464276 wrote:Little Danny, you are full of complete shit. Im not a cop hater at all. Stop making shit up.

That situation couldve been handled much better than that. If you need to resort to that much force to subdue an 87 year old lady with Alzheimers than I have to question the training cops are given.

No one is defending the old lady, but if she had Alzheimers SHE didnt even know what she was doing.

Bottom line is that the situation couldve been handled differently. Im sure trained cops can subdue an old ass lady without slamming her on the ground.

Get real people.

I'm FOS? I can't believe I am actually going to say this (and trust me I disagree with this poster and the way he posts 95% of the time) but Capone/Art Modell is right. You are a race baiter. All one has to do is search all 320 of your posts and one would see that nearly all of them are race baiting topics. Why is it that nearly all of your posts have to do with race? I just did a quick search and found that nearly all of them involved discussions of defending Michael Vick, Maurice Clarett, or some other thug who commits a crime by claiming the victim card. Due to your overwhelming bias, you have no credibility on this issue.

I Wear Pants;464491 wrote:You're right. Holstered is cool though right?

yes.

Ender, do yourself a favor and quit pretending you know anything about the elderly and deteriorating mental conditions. I've worked in a hospital for years and have dealt with 70, 80, and 90+ year old people with Alzheimer's, sun downers, and other mental conditions like bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. You're completely ignorant if you think old age can hinder what these people are capable of. A lot of them are still surprisingly quick and strong. Not only that, but when they have a condition like Alzheimer's, where they're constantly confused and possibly scared, it gives them all the more motivation. Police cannot approach the situation and say 'Oh she's old, I'll just gently grab and her and set her down.' That's not how it works, especially when they're holding onto a weapon. The bottom line is that old age doesn't always disqualify these people from causing some serious harm.

There's a cop thread every month where we debate if they use excessive force or not. While I'm not one always who sides with cops and I think there's plenty of instances where they cross the line, the reality is is that they're approaching a dangerous situation where they know nothing, but still need to act and protect.

Once again, NO ONE agrees with Wiggin.

^^^^^
hahaha. Time to find another topic Wiggin.

justincredible;464144 wrote:Cop did nothing wrong in this situation. This is coming from someone who has been dropped on their face by the cops for no reason so I'm not one to generally defend cops.

Damn. JJ threw out all the stops.

sjmvsfscs08;464271 wrote:Fuck the police. Seriously.

And you're still a tool.

pnhasbeen;464583 wrote:Damn. JJ threw out all the stops.

Lol

pnhasbeen;464583 wrote:Damn. JJ threw out all the stops.

Trooper Dan??

OK here we go, I was waiting for someone to say some stupid shit and the resident dumbasses of OC never dissapoint.

Capone, I never even mentioned race not once, this wouldnt have matter if they were all white, black, purple, pokemon or Klingon, you are so full of shit its seeping out of your pores. Try and bring the race card somewhere else because I sure as hell didnt.

Point out anywhere where I brought up race, please do it, you wont because youre full of shit and I didnt mention race once because race is irrelevant. Take your trash elsewhere.

And Strapping Young Lad, youre just a sad kid that doesnt know anything at all. You should probably just be quiet, youre trash, everyone knows it. People have agreed and disagreed in this topic, youre just too big of a dumbass to see that. Go be trash somewhere else loser.

Heelz, where does it say she was bleeding? I didnt read that anywhere, where did it say she cut herself?

And like I said before, no one is defending the fact that they shouldnt have done anything and let her go. Many people are upset at the excessive force used. Use common sense people.

A trained cop is really not able to disarm an 87 year old lady whos back is turned to them? Come on.

Dont be so daft people. And stop making up shit up

And Lowry, im well aware of how old people in conditions similar to that can be on a personal level, why dont you stop being ignorant in assuming you know things about people you dont. You obviously didnt read the part where I agreed it needed to be handled, but many more people would say that was excessive. Her back was turned, she was hardly mobile. A trained officer couldnt difuse that? No one said to disregard because of age, no one at all. If fellow police officers think the situation couldve been handled better then it probably could have. People really need to read.

Oh and because I know Capones and SYLs ignorant asses wont back up what they say, ill ask them once again to post where I said anything regarding the races of anyone in this issue.

Go ahead, ill wait.

I'm not wasting the time to argue since you're spewing bullshit left and right. What video are you even watching? Back turned? Hardly mobile? She looked like she was walking okay to me. Where all these people who say it's excessive force? Tell you what -- instead of claiming your cop buddies say it was excessive force (BFD) - post a poll and see who says it was excessive vs appropriate. You don't need to be a cop to judge the situation. Seriously. Post the poll and let everyone vote. Why don't YOU back up what you say.
If you really know about the elderly and mental conditions on a personal level, then you should respect how unpredictable they can be and snap at any moment.

What havent I backed up? What "bullshit" have I spewed? Go ahead, ill wait. Youre starting to get on SYL and Capone levels of idiocy. Get the fuck outta here. Look at the fucking video troll. Her back is to the officer, pause at :42 seconds in, the officer is behind her. And I guess the 2 women who had a baby didnt think the old lady was a big threat since they walk right by here like it was nothing. Even before the cop slammed her, she had her arm out within a few inches and the old lady didnt do anything. Give me a fucking break.

No one is defending that there wasnt a possible threat, which there was, but anyone with any inkling of common sense can see that couldve been handled in a much less aggressive way.

I'm a troll but you're the one bringing up a video from over a year ago claiming cop brutality. Oh the irony.

What bullshit?? You claim the lady isn't mobile, and that (quote) 'many more people would say that was excessive' (end quote) Where are these people? Who are they? Show me. Or, make the fucking poll like I suggested. How about I wait while you do that.

And, the biggest thing and I'll continue to reiterate: Get some fucking experience with the elderly confused before you claim who's harmless and who isn't. You look at a video of poor quality (from :38-:46 you can barely tell what's going on because this moron can't hold a camera still to save his life.) From what I gather, the cop asked the lady to drop the knife more than once and the lady basically ignored her. You never know what happens next. Hell she could wield that cane like a weapon, too.

How about instead of calling everyone who disagrees with you idiots (meanwhile you misspell a word a sentence) you argue like you're not in the 7th grade. I'm out -- better things to do than debate a video from almost 13 months ago.

What does the date of the video have to do with anything? I just saw it 2 days ago. Does it being a while ago change anything? What you said was stupid. And I believed I claimed it was excessive, not police brutality, nice try trying to spin things to fit w/e it is youre trying to do. I dont anyone would classify that as Police Brutality.

And people ive talked to, people on message boards, just go and google old lady slammed at walmart or w/e and read the comments from people, more people are against the use of force, NOT that she shouldve been let on her merry way. Why do I need to make a poll when you can just do what I said and look at the comments? Why dont you make a poll?

And I said the lady wasnt very mobile, not totally stationary. IE the fact the officer was able to get so close and how the woman with her baby felt no threat when walking by. Once again spinning things to fit your argument.

Im very aware and have dealt with elderly with mental issues, I believe I mentioned that, do keep up.

And the only people I called idiots were the......idiots that tried to turn this into a race topic by insinuating I made any mention of race, which I didnt. SO once again, stop trying to spin shit to fit your argument. And nice job bringing up something irrelevant like a grammatical error. Typical tactic by someone who has nothing of substance to say. And im the 7th grader? Right, get over yourself. You are on their level of ignorance now.

You are done here.

Ender Wiggin;464743 wrote:..... and how the woman with her baby felt no threat when walking by.

If I were arguing the same view as yours......I'd have left that part out.

I guess the correct thing to do would have been to get back in the car and let her walk around the area until she hurt someone. Then the officer would have been cleared to slam her to the ground. I don't think the police are trained to ask your age, give you a mental health test, and then decide to disarm.