SQ_Crazies wrote: I really think Liverpool is far worse than Steubenville. The Ville is still hanging onto a few things that those other river towns don't have...it's not quite as bad yet.

But really, I feel like it's hard to have an opinion if you haven't been to EL but I can see why a lot of people haven't--because there is no reason to go there.

BR1986FB wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Dude, Sebring is trash. I won't even bother debating it with you. I know people who live there that would tell you that lol

So as usual, just like on Cavs threads, no FACTS (high crime, high drug rate, etc), just your high and mighty opinion.

I'll give you that it's "boring", "lame" and a "do nothing" town, because there's nothing going on for entertainment, but trash & garbage? No.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

BR1986FB wrote:

SQ_Crazies wrote: Dude, Sebring is trash. I won't even bother debating it with you. I know people who live there that would tell you that lol

So as usual, just like on Cavs threads, no FACTS (high crime, high drug rate, etc), just your high and mighty opinion.

I'll give you that it's "boring", "lame" and a "do nothing" town, because there's nothing going on for entertainment, but trash & garbage? No.

It's like arguing with someone over whether or not my grass is green...why waste the time?

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I don't think the Ville is even in the discussion here. And I'm not saying it b/c I'm from here. Im not offended by someone saying my hometown is a shithole. Of course like any city in the U.S. there are run-down areas and there are really nice areas.

I agree the rt 7 view if nasty b/c of the mills there. But the University is very nice and park at Bell View is awesome for this area now that they dropped the cash into it. That's the only two places I ever hang out and they're both really nice.

Plus our schools are pretty high quality too. So, of course if you drive through the worst part of a city and judge the entire city on that alone you get a biased opinion.

And those shitty areas are convenient too. I don't have to drive outside my own town to score a bag. I can go downtown, do my thing, then back to the nice part of town. Works for me...

Also, unexpectedly I know some insanely good musicians and other artists who live and perform right here. So, unless you come to Steubenville and somehow can't find your way up a hill then you will likely to get a terrible impression.

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: They make SE Massillon look like Beverly Hills.

Polar Bear 73 wrote: I'm amazed that this thread has gone four pages and no one has mentioned Mansfield. I've worked there for 15 years, and I have driven 124 miles every day to and from Powell rather than move to Mansfield. It's pretty sad when the largest employer in a "manufacturing" town is the hospital. If Gorman Rupp ever goes under, so will Mansfield. Unemployment and urban decay are apparent everywhere in town. It is really sad.

Al Capone wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I don't think the Ville is even in the discussion here. And I'm not saying it b/c I'm from here. Im not offended by someone saying my hometown is a shithole. Of course like any city in the U.S. there are run-down areas and there are really nice areas.

I agree the rt 7 view if nasty b/c of the mills there. But the University is very nice and park at Bell View is awesome for this area now that they dropped the cash into it. That's the only two places I ever hang out and they're both really nice.

Plus our schools are pretty high quality too. So, of course if you drive through the worst part of a city and judge the entire city on that alone you get a biased opinion.

And those shitty areas are convenient too. I don't have to drive outside my own town to score a bag. I can go downtown, do my thing, then back to the nice part of town. Works for me...

Also, unexpectedly I know some insanely good musicians and other artists who live and perform right here. So, unless you come to Steubenville and somehow can't find your way up a hill then you will likely to get a terrible impression.

Up a hill? You mean Labelle or Pleasant Heights? Yea. Very nice neighborhoods.

Mohican00 wrote:

Polar Bear 73 wrote: I'm amazed that this thread has gone four pages and no one has mentioned Mansfield. I've worked there for 15 years, and I have driven 124 miles every day to and from Powell rather than move to Mansfield. It's pretty sad when the largest employer in a "manufacturing" town is the hospital. If Gorman Rupp ever goes under, so will Mansfield. Unemployment and urban decay are apparent everywhere in town. It is really sad.

I totally agree with Mansfield.

It's a hole

Tiernan wrote: Steubenville is definitely the Arm Pit, but Canton is the bung hole which makes Akron the 'taint. And the state football championships will finally be coming back to the State's sweet bosom which is and always will be C-bus baby.

WCLfan wrote:

Mohican00 wrote:

Polar Bear 73 wrote: I'm amazed that this thread has gone four pages and no one has mentioned Mansfield. I've worked there for 15 years, and I have driven 124 miles every day to and from Powell rather than move to Mansfield. It's pretty sad when the largest employer in a "manufacturing" town is the hospital. If Gorman Rupp ever goes under, so will Mansfield. Unemployment and urban decay are apparent everywhere in town. It is really sad.

I totally agree with Mansfield.

It's a hole

There are certain parts of Mansfield that are scary, it's definitely up there on the crap list. McArthur and Wellston in southern Ohio are a few others I hate.

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I don't think the Ville is even in the discussion here. And I'm not saying it b/c I'm from here. Im not offended by someone saying my hometown is a shithole. Of course like any city in the U.S. there are run-down areas and there are really nice areas.

I agree the rt 7 view if nasty b/c of the mills there. But the University is very nice and park at Bell View is awesome for this area now that they dropped the cash into it. That's the only two places I ever hang out and they're both really nice.

Plus our schools are pretty high quality too. So, of course if you drive through the worst part of a city and judge the entire city on that alone you get a biased opinion.

And those shitty areas are convenient too. I don't have to drive outside my own town to score a bag. I can go downtown, do my thing, then back to the nice part of town. Works for me...

Also, unexpectedly I know some insanely good musicians and other artists who live and perform right here. So, unless you come to Steubenville and somehow can't find your way up a hill then you will likely to get a terrible impression.

SQ_Crazies wrote: But overall, the people are trash

GoChiefs wrote:

ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: They make SE Massillon look like Beverly Hills.

I keep hearing about how 'terrible' it is..but I've yet to have an issue here in 5 years.

Mohican00 wrote:
Complete with Bone so......enjoy Zwick

Al Capone wrote:

Strapping Young Lad wrote: I don't think the Ville is even in the discussion here. And I'm not saying it b/c I'm from here. Im not offended by someone saying my hometown is a shithole. Of course like any city in the U.S. there are run-down areas and there are really nice areas.

I agree the rt 7 view if nasty b/c of the mills there. But the University is very nice and park at Bell View is awesome for this area now that they dropped the cash into it. That's the only two places I ever hang out and they're both really nice.

Plus our schools are pretty high quality too. So, of course if you drive through the worst part of a city and judge the entire city on that alone you get a biased opinion.

And those shitty areas are convenient too. I don't have to drive outside my own town to score a bag. I can go downtown, do my thing, then back to the nice part of town. Works for me...

Also, unexpectedly I know some insanely good musicians and other artists who live and perform right here. So, unless you come to Steubenville and somehow can't find your way up a hill then you will likely to get a terrible impression.

Why am I not surprised to hear that you hang out at Bellview park? Candy anyone? Come to Uncle Strap-on. hahaha

East Liverpool Population in July 2008: 11,996. Population change since 2000: -8.4%

Steubenville Population in July 2008: 18,820. Population change since 2000: -1.0%

Estimated median household income in 2008: $27,678 (it was $23,138 in 2000)
East Liverpool: $27,678
Ohio: $47,988

Estimated median household income in 2008: $31,362 (it was $26,516 in 2000)
Steubenville: $31,362
Ohio: $47,988

For population 25 years and over in East Liverpool
High school or higher: 73.4%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 7.3%
Graduate or professional degree: 2.7%
Unemployed: 7.2%

For population 25 years and over in Steubenville
High school or higher: 79.2%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 17.8%
Graduate or professional degree: 7.4%
Unemployed: 9.8%

Crime index for East Liverpool 234.8
Crime index for Steubenville 447.2
National average 320.9

Canton Population in July 2008: 78,362. Population change since 2000: -3.0%

Alliance Population in July 2008: 22,476. Population change since 2000: -3.3%

Estimated median household income in 2008: $27,130 (it was $28,730 in 2000)
Canton: $27,130
Ohio: $47,988

Estimated median household income in 2008: $33,570 (it was $30,078 in 2000)
Alliance: $33,570
Ohio: $47,988

For population 25 years and over in Canton
High school or higher: 75.1%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 11.8%
Graduate or professional degree: 4.0%
Unemployed: 7.8%

For population 25 years and over in Alliance
High school or higher: 79.3%
Bachelor's degree or higher: 13.3%
Graduate or professional degree: 5.1%
Unemployed: 6.6%

Crime index for Canton 648.1
Crime index for Alliance 383.3
National average 320.9