ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
The courts have spelled that out over the years and the 1974 law clarified it even more.
You are not going to find any form of judicial supremacy over the other branches in the Constitution.
jmog wrote:
I never once said this was ok.
I said I hope this pisses Congress off enough they get off their ass and do their job.
That's fair. I hope the judicial branch also does their job and people go to prison.
Heretic wrote:
Perhaps instead of all the blathering about making Canada a state and annexing Greenland nonsense, we should be demanding that Israel bend the knee and announce their fealty. We send them this much money and stuff for their conflicts, they're our property and subject to our rule. Change the name to America East, have our people move in and displace theirs to reservations and all the fun stuff that colonization does to the former inhabitants!
Which at least makes more sense than just funding them and putting their interests above our own.
Agrred
Texting with several of my friends that are fed employees or know people that are.
It's been a mess the last few days. People being fired was everybody on probationary status because they're the easiest to fire.
What Musk doesn't understand or doesn't care about is that "probationary" doesn't mean they've done anything wrong. It doesn't even mean they're relatively new to the field, although new people will get nailed.
Everybody who has recently switched agencies, federalized out of a similar contractor role, or been promoted is probationary, so in firing them, you're eliminating your most dynamic, successful people.
The President has the right to fire people sure,but this is a fucked up way to do it.
Very short sighted and poorly thought out.
The people I know in the government are not corrupt or evil. They are just everyday people that wanted to serve this country and do good. They are just being used as pawns. It's been stressful on them and their families.
I feel for future generations that will want do join the government for public service. Why would anyone want to do anything related to public service now?
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Texting with several of my friends that are fed employees or know people that are.
It's been a mess the last few days. People being fired was everybody on probationary status because they're the easiest to fire.
What Musk doesn't understand or doesn't care about is that "probationary" doesn't mean they've done anything wrong. It doesn't even mean they're relatively new to the field, although new people will get nailed.
Everybody who has recently switched agencies, federalized out of a similar contractor role, or been promoted is probationary, so in firing them, you're eliminating your most dynamic, successful people.
The President has the right to fire people sure,but this is a fucked up way to do it.
Very short sighted and poorly thought out.
The people I know in the government are not corrupt or evil. They are just everyday people that wanted to serve this country and do good. They are just being used as pawns. It's been stressful on them and their families.
I feel for future generations that will want do join the government for public service. Why would anyone want to do anything related to public service now?
My mom and aunt worked for the county government for 30+ years each.
They knew that there was a solid chance at any change of party in the elected officials there was a chance they could be let go.
I have to believe, no matter how bad it sucks for people we know, that those in the federal government know this as well.
jmog wrote:
My mom and aunt worked for the county government for 30+ years each.
They knew that there was a solid chance at any change of party in the elected officials there was a chance they could be let go.
I have to believe, no matter how bad it sucks for people we know, that those in the federal government know this as well.
Oh they knew there would be people let go,but the way they are doing it is the dumbest way.
I just hope this doesn't come back to bite us.
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
It's been a mess the last few days. People being fired was everybody on probationary status because they're the easiest to fire.
That is 100% correct. The POTUS and those advising know full well what they are doing. They are after the entrenched bureaucrats who have encased themselves. Those easiest to fire will go first as a result.
They appear to be going too fast, but that may be a premature assessment. Of course they will break a few eggs, but no serious harm yet. A lot of handwaving so far on both sides, but other than the buyouts there really hasn't been material action for the most part.
The problem with going slower is that is the tool of the entrenched bureaucrat. Delay, deny and obstruct...These bureaucrats know many admin positions turn over in 2 years or so, and then they get a bit of a reset. And then maybe a different crisis draws away attention. That's why it's imperative for Musk to go fast while they have momentum and a mandate.
majorspark wrote:
That is 100% correct. The POTUS and those advising know full well what they are doing. They are after the entrenched bureaucrats who have encased themselves. Those easiest to fire will go first as a result.
Yet, if someone has worked 10 years with one agency, then transfer to another, they are probationary, and they are now gone.
So, let's say I worked 10 years at the DOD, had a great record,did my job, then moved to VA, I am now fired because I am probationary.
Do you think we should be losing that people instead of someone who is lazy and not doing their job?
My point is there is zero thought on any of this. It cutting for cutting sake. We may be losing our best people.
If that's what you want, fine.
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Yet, if someone has worked 10 years with one agency, then transfer to another, they are probationary, and they are now gone.
So, let's say I worked 10 years at the DOD, had a great record,did my job, then moved to VA, I am now fired because I am probationary.
Do you think we should be losing that people instead of someone who is lazy and not doing their job?
My point is there is zero thought on any of this. It cutting for cutting sake. We may be losing our best people.
If that's what you want, fine.
No thougt would be randomly picking people like bingo balls.
They are going after specific departments, after specific agencies, after specific spending/grants, and yes, firing the easiest people to fire first.
Thats not zero thought, just not how you and your friends like it.
It may not be even prudent or the right way to do it, but again, it’s the opposite of “zero thought”
jmog wrote:
No thougt would be randomly picking people like bingo balls.
They are going after specific departments, after specific agencies, after specific spending/grants, and yes, firing the easiest people to fire first.
Thats not zero thought, just not how you and your friends like it.
It may not be even prudent or the right way to do it, but again, it’s the opposite of “zero thought”
Boy for someone who doesn't support doge, you keep defending it.
Fine, not zero thought, how about rational thought? You may be cutting the best people just because.
Heretic wrote:
Perhaps instead of all the blathering about making Canada a state and annexing Greenland nonsense, we should be demanding that Israel bend the knee and announce their fealty. We send them this much money and stuff for their conflicts, they're our property and subject to our rule. Change the name to America East, have our people move in and displace theirs to reservations and all the fun stuff that colonization does to the former inhabitants!
Which at least makes more sense than just funding them and putting their interests above our own.
I like "East Ohia"
I think it's just like steel mill workers and coal miners who lost their jobs en masse. Not too many people on this site ever gave a fuck about it. What's the line? Cheaper televisions? Yes, that's the purpose. I remember now!
Well, those same people should now apply that same principle to government. Cheaper government is ok now!
Right???
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
If that's what you want, fine.
Perhaps they can learn to code.
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
So, let's say I worked 10 years at the DOD, had a great record,did my job, then moved to VA, I am now fired because I am probationary.
In my experience with unions, what you're hinting at is likely a non-starter. From what you describe, if it's accurate, your seniority doesn't transfer to a different agency. It surely does with respect to benefits, but when cuts are made you're at the bottom of the totem poll in your new agency.
Picking and choosing the best employees to keep is not how unions operate. Terminations/layoffs go in the order of reverse seniority, which would mean starting with the probationary employees first.
ptown_trojans_1 wrote:
Boy for someone who doesn't support doge, you keep defending it.
Fine, not zero thought, how about rational thought? You may be cutting the best people just because.
Explaining things you are wrong about doesn’t mean I am defending it. Logic and reason should be used at all times ptown, use it better when responding.
I actually really like Doge. I'm all for finding circular funding and dispensing it out/away. Same with the spending to the intelligence agencies hiding as "feeding the children" that are constantly looking around in starting regime change wars.
But away most of the bureaucracy and fat in all fed agencies. Combine and cut back where applicable. Cut altogether many.
Sure would be nice if Congress would make it legal, and more importantly, permanent.
queencitybuckeye wrote:
I hope the judicial branch also does their job and people go to prison.
The Russians have mastered this.
The difference between Doge and Czar is it effective.
majorspark wrote:
The Russians have mastered this.
IOW, you don't give a fuck if the law is being broken as long as you like the outcome.
queencitybuckeye wrote:
IOW, you don't give a fuck if the law is being broken as long as you like the outcome.
I might be mistaken, but I took what he said to mean that he doesn't want to see the political lawfare continue.
I don't want to see it, either. I think the Dems have done enough of that and it needs to stop.
If that's not what he meant then I don't know lol
queencitybuckeye wrote:
IOW, you don't give a fuck if the law is being broken as long as you like the outcome.
I don't get excited over people being thrown in federal prison over political disagreaments.
CenterBHSFan wrote:
I might be mistaken, but I took what he said to mean that he doesn't want to see the political lawfare continue.
I don't want to see it, either. I think the Dems have done enough of that and it needs to stop.
If that's not what he meant then I don't know lol
Yes ma'am . "Judicial Branch" you know what level of government is being referred to. I support government shut down.
kizer permanente wrote:
lol oh boy
It's really weird, too, coming from somebody from NY lol