jmog wrote:

It was the lefts boogeyman during the campaign and they would parrot single lines here or there from it like it was a Nazi manifesto. 

No one said that no one involved would have any position in the executive branch. They said that the left conspiracy that it was Trump’s manifesto and that all his cronies wrote it and all would be his cabinet, was moronic.

The truth, that most of us knew, was that a few of the people were involved with the first Trump admin and a few would probably be involved in the new one.  That is so far found to be accurate.

And yes, no one red 900 pages.  At best we have red summaries of each chapter.  I have red one summary from a left wing and a right wing website for each chapter to see what each side says is in there. 

Are you trying to tell us you read all 900 pages?

I have read all 900 pages over the last few months. I knew it was not Trump's actual platform, but he also lied about not knowing anything about it.

I found the parts about power that OMB could have about firing people and growing the powers of the President troubling.

I will admit the worst parts have not been executed, and some of the folks are not in the new Trump administration. The new OMB Director is the biggest of the names/ authors that are back and hence what he did write is extremely relevant.  

Also naming Fort Bragg after a WWI pilot is quite genius actually. If that is true 

geeblock wrote:

Also naming Fort Bragg after a WWI pilot is quite genius actually. If that is true 

World War II pilot. I like the move as well. 

I'm all for not celebrating loser Confederacy generals. 

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/4062245/secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-renames-fort-liberty-to-fort-bragg/

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

I have read all 900 pages over the last few months. I knew it was not Trump's actual platform, but he also lied about not knowing anything about it.

I found the parts about power that OMB could have about firing people and growing the powers of the President troubling.

I will admit the worst parts have not been executed, and some of the folks are not in the new Trump administration. The new OMB Director is the biggest of the names/ authors that are back and hence what he did write is extremely relevant.  

Well congratulations you might be the only person in America that has read all 900 pages.  Even the authors most likely have not. 

Kind of like the Pelosi “we have to pass it to know what’s in it” trope.  

There’s no denying P2025 was the lefts go to boogeyman throughout the campaign.

I don't know. I have a little bit of conflicting views. 

Trump did pledge to have a DOGE and to reduce a lot of things, including  govt agency waste and people still voted for it. I myself don't care about that part of it. When the Biden administration ignored court orders twice - Ptown and Gee - I have to say that I don't remember either of you objecting in any way. Just saying.

I also call it an audit because DOGE has been reviewing expenditures line by line or item by item. 

Seems to be the very definition. Unless, of course, Trump is involved in some way 😉

No committee in Congress has done this. And they are never going to. Can we agree on this one point?

I would definitely prefer if they did. 

The congressmen who have introduced bills to do it never have it picked up by the Speaker, both Republicans and Democrats. Both sides are guilty.

Now, if the argument is the point that Trump wants to eliminate waste and is making moves to do it - what is Congress doing? Nothing. And that makes them immediately call the media and tell them to "come watch us make complete asses out of ourselves in front of the DoE!"

Protecting corruption. Sorry guys, there's just no other way to describe it. 

CenterBHSFan wrote:

I don't know. I have a little bit of conflicting views. 

Trump did pledge to have a DOGE and to reduce a lot of things, including  govt agency waste and people still voted for it. I myself don't care about that part of it. When the Biden administration ignored court orders twice - Ptown and Gee - I have to say that I don't remember either of you objecting in any way. Just saying.

I also call it an audit because DOGE has been reviewing expenditures line by line or item by item. 

Seems to be the very definition. Unless, of course, Trump is involved in some way 😉

No committee in Congress has done this. And they are never going to. Can we agree on this one point?

I would definitely prefer if they did. 

The congressmen who have introduced bills to do it never have it picked up by the Speaker, both Republicans and Democrats. Both sides are guilty.

Now, if the argument is the point that Trump wants to eliminate waste and is making moves to do it - what is Congress doing? Nothing. And that makes them immediately call the media and tell them to "come watch us make complete asses out of ourselves in front of the DoE!"

Protecting corruption. Sorry guys, there's just no other way to describe it. 

I did rail Biden for not following through on some items, like student loan reform. He was wrong and should have went through Congress. 

Again, you really don't know how government works. 

The GAO and IGs usually audit agencies and make recommendations to Congressional committees. Those committees then pass the funding measures for each agencies, zeroing some out, maybe adding to others that are working. 

Because, remember, only Congress can approve funds, not the President or Doge. 

Doge is not auditing. Thy are actively cutting programs and funds that Congress has already approved. That is not how it is supposed to work. 

If Doge was making recommending cuts to Congress for cuts, ok, that makes sense. There, Republicans can legally slash and gash agencies.. Want to end Dept of Education, easy, go through Congress to do, but having Doge do it is really unconstitutional to me as it bypasses Congress's legal authority. 

What's funny is above is what Vivek wanted to do, but Musk wanted to go the current route. That is one reason why Vivek walked away.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Again, you really don't know how government works. 

#5

Seems like they are doing a hell of a lot more than going line by line. Anyone can go line by line, these things are public record right. And really I have have problem with who “they” are. Seems like some sketchy characters. I’m all for cutting things but this is too much power for one entity that no one voted for while trump golf’s everyday 

CenterBHSFan wrote:

#5

Hey, I just refuted your uneducated point. 

Doge could easily work with GAO or any of the IGs and report to Congress on these cuts. 

BTW, the USAID IG report on the Doge cuts detailed the cuts have left $489M worth of supplies just sitting in ports wasting away. 

So, yay, way to tackle waste! 

https://oig.usaid.gov/node/7439

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Hey, I just refuted your uneducated point. 

Doge could easily work with GAO or any of the IGs and report to Congress on these cuts. 

BTW, the USAID IG report on the Doge cuts detailed the cuts have left $489M worth of supplies just sitting in ports wasting away. 

So, yay, way to tackle waste! 

https://oig.usaid.gov/node/7439

#6

The three branches of the federal government are coequal.  One legislates, one executes, one judges.   All three can also refuse at their own discretion.   Two can submit to one or two force the other.  Only one branch has the power to remove from both or add another to one.  "Norms" are being challenged and should be.  It will be hashed out.

majorspark wrote:

The three branches of the federal government are coequal.  One legislates, one executes, one judges.   All three can also refuse at their own discretion.   Two can submit to one or two force the other.  Only one branch has the power to remove from both or add another to one.  "Norms" are being challenged and should be.  It will be hashed out.

Agreed. I really do think that we are in a transitional period. 

What I am wary of are all the cries of fascism, Nazis, constitutional crises and so on. At some point most of our population is going to get real sick and tired of the crying wolf every single day. And then things are going to backfire super hard. And then we are going to get so angry that we will unintentionally vote in somebody who really is the Boogeyman. And it will be somebody who will know how to capitalize on the slow motion seppuku of the Democrat party. And it's all going to be the result of this "viva le resistance!" movement because the establishment cried wolf too many times and didn't change when people needed it.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

The GAO and IGs usually audit agencies and make recommendations to Congressional committees. Those committees then pass the funding measures for each agencies, zeroing some out, maybe adding to others that are working. 

Because, remember, only Congress can approve funds, not the President or Doge. 

What's funny is above is what Vivek wanted to do, but Musk wanted to go the current route. That is one reason why Vivek walked away.

This has done exactly zero to reduce the deficit for decades.  So this process hasn’t worked AT ALL.

Congress has passed on their duties for decades….so what should we do if the normal process has done nothing to reduce the deficit?

geeblock wrote:

Seems like they are doing a hell of a lot more than going line by line. Anyone can go line by line, these things are public record right. And really I have have problem with who “they” are. Seems like some sketchy characters. I’m all for cutting things but this is too much power for one entity that no one voted for while trump golf’s everyday 

To be fair, Trump said this would happen and told us who would run it…so people did kind of vote for it….

Democrat pundits are strategizing that The Resistance should start saying "Trump wants cancer".

As a strategy.

Slow motion seppuku. 

But also to be fair trump added 7.8 trillion last time, and is adding 4.5 trillion this time with the current proposal.  

jmog wrote:

To be fair, Trump said this would happen and told us who would run it…so people did kind of vote for it….

I think/hope that people thought there would be more transparency than "well its on our doge page"  and the doge page is blank.  I dont think saying we are "randomly cutting 35% and see what happens" is what people were thinking, but maybe that was just me.  I could have assumed no way that is what they would actually do and in fact it was lol.

geeblock wrote:

But also to be fair trump added 7.8 trillion last time, and is adding 4.5 trillion this time with the current proposal.  

One minute you aren’t happy with how they are going about cutting the budget the next minute you complain the deficit is too high.

Your TDS keeps showing. 

jmog wrote:

One minute you aren’t happy with how they are going about cutting the budget the next minute you complain the deficit is too high.

Your TDS keeps showing. 

two things can be true?  thats not TDS.  cutting the Consumer protection branch but then raising the deficit 4.5 trilion for a tax break for corporations and billionares doesnt exactly help me

geeblock wrote:

two things can be true?  thats not TDS.  cutting the Consumer protection branch but then raising the deficit 4.5 trilion for a tax break for corporations and billionares doesnt exactly help me

So you like DNC/MSM talking points.  Did you miss the fact that every single income  tax payer had their taxes reduced?

Or you just believe the lie that it was only for the rich?

jmog wrote:

So you like DNC/MSM talking points.  Did you miss the fact that every single income  tax payer had their taxes reduced?

Or you just believe the lie that it was only for the rich?

When people don't pay much in taxes, they get big upset over people who do getting big cuts.  A lot of people who are hardly rich but have rather large tax bills got whacked by the SALT cap.

It's why true European-style socialism will never happen in America - people like Geeblock want the benefits but not the tax burden that goes with it.

gut wrote:

When people don't pay much in taxes, they get big upset over people who do getting big cuts.  A lot of people who are hardly rich but have rather large tax bills got whacked by the SALT cap.

It's why true European-style socialism will never happen in America - people like Geeblock want the benefits but not the tax burden that goes with it.

100%

majorspark wrote:

The three branches of the federal government are coequal.  One legislates, one executes, one judges.   All three can also refuse at their own discretion.   Two can submit to one or two force the other.  Only one branch has the power to remove from both or add another to one.  "Norms" are being challenged and should be.  It will be hashed out.

I agree with this. It will be hashed out, but I am worried about the implications and impacts. 

geeblock wrote:

Also naming Fort Bragg after a WWI pilot is quite genius actually. If that is true 

Literally a waste of money just to troll the left.

But I'm sure when Hegseth came in and told the generals his first order of business was to find another Bragg to re-name Fort Bragg after....a few curious glances, some sly smiles, and then a whole bunch of head nodding.

Poor JD sold his soul and this is what he gets lol

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1889057538622341631