jmog wrote:

This has done exactly zero to reduce the deficit for decades.  So this process hasn’t worked AT ALL.

Congress has passed on their duties for decades….so what should we do if the normal process has done nothing to reduce the deficit?

Oh, come on. It has and it wasn't that long ago....look back at the 1990s. Gore had his government reform commission, combined with a President and Congress that wanted to cut, and we ended the century in a good spot. 

Gore's commission also worked with the GAO and IGs on recommendations. The model was there for DOGE. 

Congress has passed on their duties yes, but does that justify this approach? It seems like this is a terrible and ham handed approach to solve the problem.  

Again, I'm all for reforming, cutting, and changing the federal bureaucracy, but this seems like the worst way to do it. 

Doge also flies in the face of two recent Supreme Court rulings that curtain the power of the Executive: West Virginia v EPA and the Loper case last year that overturned Chevron. Those two cases both said the Executive needs to defer to the Courts and Congress on any large changes to rules/ laws/ budget, etc. 

jmog wrote:

To be fair, Trump said this would happen and told us who would run it…so people did kind of vote for it….

People also largely voted for Trump to decrease prices an fix the economy. 

Prices and inflation are up. 

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

People also largely voted for Trump to decrease prices an fix the economy. 

Prices and inflation are up. 

why fix the economy or prices when you can just blame biden?

jmog wrote:

One minute you aren’t happy with how they are going about cutting the budget the next minute you complain the deficit is too high.

Your TDS keeps showing. 

Quit being a fucking douchebag with the TDS stuff. You sound like some second-rate local radio personality. Whenever you bitched about Biden, no one attributed your “irrational BDS”.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

People also largely voted for Trump to decrease prices an fix the economy. 

Prices and inflation are up. 

The mental gymnastics over this topic are hilarious.

I will give him some time though, let's revisit in Q2.

geeblock wrote:

Poor JD sold his soul and this is what he gets lol

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1889057538622341631

So sayings it’s too early to tell there are a lot of good candidates is a “knifing”

I mean sure, JD would love an immediate “yes” but this wasn’t the “gotcha” you lefties believe it to be. 

I can see the TDS already turning into JDVDS….

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Oh, come on. It has and it wasn't that long ago....look back at the 1990s. Gore had his government reform commission, combined with a President and Congress that wanted to cut, and we ended the century in a good spot. 

Gore's commission also worked with the GAO and IGs on recommendations. The model was there for DOGE. 

Congress has passed on their duties yes, but does that justify this approach? It seems like this is a terrible and ham handed approach to solve the problem.  

Again, I'm all for reforming, cutting, and changing the federal bureaucracy, but this seems like the worst way to do it. 

Doge also flies in the face of two recent Supreme Court rulings that curtain the power of the Executive: West Virginia v EPA and the Loper case last year that overturned Chevron. Those two cases both said the Executive needs to defer to the Courts and Congress on any large changes to rules/ laws/ budget, etc. 

You do realize you are pointing back almost 30 years ago and I said “decades”.

You still trying to say I am wrong?

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

People also largely voted for Trump to decrease prices an fix the economy. 

Prices and inflation are up. 

We now measure inflation by the day? 

Dr Winston O'Boogie wrote:

Quit being a fucking douchebag with the TDS stuff. You sound like some second-rate local radio personality. Whenever you bitched about Biden, no one attributed your “irrational BDS”.

I’ve bitched about both sides.  That’s the opposite of TDS or BDS. Hope that helps. 

When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on Day One

Dr Winston O'Boogie wrote:

Quit being a fucking douchebag with the TDS stuff. You sound like some second-rate local radio personality. Whenever you bitched about Biden, no one attributed your “irrational BDS”.

Now that we have the archives back, it'd probably be a fun thing to go back in time to the Obama years (when there were a lot more pure R conservatives here), compare what they were saying about him to what Gee is saying about Trump and determine who had the real derangement syndrome. Especially since "TDS" is the right-wing version of a hard-core leftie calling calling someone a "phobe" because they aren't aligned with their feelings on trans people.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Doge also flies in the face of two recent Supreme Court rulings that curtain the power of the Executive: West Virginia v EPA and the Loper case last year that overturned Chevron. Those two cases both said the Executive needs to defer to the Courts and Congress on any large changes to rules/ laws/ budget, etc. 

Not sure what your thoughts were originally, but plenty of liberals are about to gain a more nuanced and greater appreciation for those rulings.

I like this SCOTUS.  And I liked Trump's appointments.

I want Terry Francona to lead the Reds to and through the playoffs…but it’s dumb as fuck for Francona haters to point out that he’s yet to win a fucking game yet…..

jmog wrote:

You do realize you are pointing back almost 30 years ago and I said “decades”.

You still trying to say I am wrong?

Ok, cool. So does that justify Doge to you? 

Excuse me for thinking decades for you only meant 3 lol

gut wrote:

Not sure what your thoughts were originally, but plenty of liberals are about to gain a more nuanced and greater appreciation for those rulings.

I like this SCOTUS.  And I liked Trump's appointments.

Yeah, agreed. 

I'm ok with the rulings as in, in theory, should force Congress to actually do their damn job. 

jmog wrote:

We now measure inflation by the day? 

By the day? No, the monthly report came out today. 

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Yeah, agreed. 

I'm ok with the rulings as in, in theory, should force Congress to actually do their damn job. 

Well, that's the stickler isn't it?

But that still doesn't justify executive overreach.  Maybe if Congress can't hide behind POTUS voters would start holding them accountable.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Ok, cool. So does that justify Doge to you? 

Excuse me for thinking decades for you only meant 3 lol

I didn’t say it justified.  I said what Congress has “done” (aka nothing” for decades has led us to this sledge hammer approach.  

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

By the day? No, the monthly report came out today. 

2.9 in December, 3.0 in Jan….not the gotcha you thought it was

jmog wrote:

I didn’t say it justified.  I said what Congress has “done” (aka nothing” for decades has led us to this sledge hammer approach.  

Do you approve of this sledgehammer approach?

I gotta think you can't be for this approach. 

jmog wrote:

2.9 in December, 3.0 in Jan….not the gotcha you thought it was

Wasn't a gotcha man. Inflation and prices have stayed up and people mostly voted for Trump for the economy. 

gut wrote:

Well, that's the stickler isn't it?

But that still doesn't justify executive overreach.  Maybe if Congress can't hide behind POTUS voters would start holding them accountable.

Yeah, it is. 

The Republicans have been weak in trying to assert their authority in Congress. 

I understand it is Trump's party, but come on. 

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Do you approve of this sledgehammer approach?

I gotta think you can't be for this approach. 

Nope, not at all. But it’s better than the last 30 years of trillions of debt.  Maybe this will finally give Congress the spine they haven’t had for decades.

ptown_trojans_1 wrote:

Yeah, it is. 

The Republicans have been weak in trying to assert their authority in Congress. 

I understand it is Trump's party, but come on. 

Correction….

Both sides haven’t had a spine in Congress for decades.  That part isn’t just the Rs. 

jmog wrote:

Correction….

Both sides haven’t had a spine in Congress for decades.  That part isn’t just the Rs. 

So true. Since we're a month into a new presidency, I've gotten used to (once again) the D politicians doing that "I'm going to give a conference where I say that what the president is doing is bad and goes against our country!" thing and the people who follow them on social media responding with "WELL WHY DON'T YOU DO SOMETHING!!???"

After four years of it being the Rs impotently bitching while their followers demanded action. After four years of it being the Ds. And so on.

But that's the politics game. If the opposition side actually was picking up W after W and making their fanbase happy, the side in power could just play the "we have the good ideas, but they're opposing them just to do so" card and run on that during midterms ("President Trump said he'd do this FOR YOU, but those godless commie rats hate America and Trump's agenda, so we have to fight back against them!"). The opposition side wants to roll over and just give stern-sounding conferences because they figure they can ride the outrage over what the side in power is or isn't doing to get those midterm gains.