Browns BS Drama continued Part II...

posted by like_that

This.  I am looking at the 18' draft now and if I am the Giants there are plenty of rookies I would rather have at this point over a RB at #2.

Gettleman shit down his leg with that pick, imo. What's the Giants biggest issue right now? A broken down, washed up QB.

I'm not sure, in hindsight, that I'd want Darnold, Rosen or Allen but they need QB worse than anything right now and they passed. I'm not looking at the 2019 QB's, because the Browns now have their guy, but is there a QB in this coming draft worth a top 5 pick?

posted by like_that

This.  I am looking at the 18' draft now and if I am the Giants there are plenty of rookies I would rather have at this point over a RB at #2.

And the QB outlook in 2019 draft is pretty ugly unless Herbert comes out. And even then it's only him.

So you have a new shiny  rb that will be wasted this year and beat up next year. 

posted by iclfan2

And the QB outlook in 2019 draft is pretty ugly unless Herbert comes out. And even then it's only him.

So you have a new shiny  rb that will be wasted this year and beat up next year. 

Him and Haskins are the top 2 QB prospects. And both would have gone after Rosen in last yr's draft. Giants fucked up big time.

posted by Commander of Awesome

Him and Haskins are the top 2 QB prospects. And both would have gone after Rosen in last yr's draft. Giants fucked up big time.

I'm not a big Haskins guy. But you're right, and actually they both might stay in school, which would make the class even worse.

I just can't imagine what would possess a GM like Gettleman, who's considered pretty solid, to take a RB that high knowing they need a QB and knowing the coming class (2019) is weak. He went full on Sashi with that pick, kicking the can down the road on a QB.

LOL...

“I mean, he’s a d— … when you have to play him,” Garrett matter-of-factly adds with a grin. “Even in practice, sometimes, I wanna chop him in the throat. He talks smack to everybody.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-baker-mayfield-perfect-fit-nfls-imperfect-team-talks-smack-everybody-230136145.html?fbclid=iwar2w4kpx-sx6siiiacmslkwmowoay1jz1ju0xoval9pn6j660_bmddwhbjg

Oh, I’m not saying the giants made the right pick. They should have went Darnold 100%

but when you compare two players statistically, at least add all the fucking stats together for them both. That’s all I was saying. That, and a lot of people on here are obsessed with Saquon

posted by SportsAndLady

Oh, I’m not saying the giants made the right pick. They should have went Darnold 100%

 

but when you compare two players statistically, at least add all the fucking stats together for them both. That’s all I was saying. That, and a lot of people on here are obsessed with Saquon

I am not declaring Chubb to be better (yet), but I think there is an actual debate  right now and going forward if Chubb keeps it up.   That alone makes picking a RB with the 2nd pick the wrong pick.  You know this site by now.  The "never draft a RB in the first round" argument is always going to be brought up from time to time lol.   

The struggling Jags could have used another player in last year's draft over Fournette at this point. 

And all I was saying about Chubb is that if he had been playing from week 1, I think his numbers eclipse (or at least match) Barkley's. Now granted, Barkley is playing on a worse team. Doesn't mean I think Barkley's a shitty players (he's actually a very good one). Just means I think you can get similar production from a later pick and use the higher pick on something else.

posted by BR1986FB

And all I was saying about Chubb is that if he had been playing from week 1, I think his numbers eclipse (or at least match) Barkley's. Now granted, Barkley is playing on a worse team. Doesn't mean I think Barkley's a shitty players (he's actually a very good one). Just means I think you can get similar production from a later pick and use the higher pick on something else.

Agreed. I'm sure S&L will blow his top over this bc he's currently wearing an "I <3 Barkley" t-shirt, but I think Chubb is the better RB. Barkley might be the better offensive weapon, but pure RB I think it's chubb.

posted by like_that

I am not declaring Chubb to be better (yet), but I think there is an actual debate  right now and going forward if Chubb keeps it up.   That alone makes picking a RB with the 2nd pick the wrong pick.  You know this site by now.  The "never draft a RB in the first round" argument is always going to be brought up from time to time lol.   

The struggling Jags could have used another player in last year's draft over Fournette at this point. 

Yep, nailed it right on the head. Not a difficult concept.

posted by BR1986FB

I just can't imagine what would possess a GM like Gettleman, who's considered pretty solid, to take a RB that high knowing they need a QB and knowing the coming class (2019) is weak. He went full on Sashi with that pick, kicking the can down the road on a QB.

EGO

Honestly, I blame the owner. Gettleman was fired from a successful franchise, that's not an accident.

https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status/1061763429231484933?s=19

#Browns let their offensive-minded head coach and their offensive coordinator go. They elevate their defensive coordinator to the top job. Since then, they’ve upped their PPG (21.1 to 24.5), rush yards/game (+49.1) and pass yards/game - and cut their sacks/game from 4.1 to 1.0.

posted by like_that

I am not declaring Chubb to be better (yet), but I think there is an actual debate  right now and going forward if Chubb keeps it up.   That alone makes picking a RB with the 2nd pick the wrong pick.  You know this site by now.  The "never draft a RB in the first round" argument is always going to be brought up from time to time lol.   

The struggling Jags could have used another player in last year's draft over Fournette at this point. 

Agree with you 

posted by Commander of Awesome

Agreed. I'm sure S&L will blow his top over this bc he's currently wearing an "I <3 Barkley" t-shirt, but I think Chubb is the better RB. Barkley might be the better offensive weapon, but pure RB I think it's chubb.

 

 

Oh please. I’m not a Barkley guy. I even said on here when he was drafted that they fucked up with that pick. 

But you said on here that he sucks. Posters on here act like he’s terrible. He’s really, really good. And playing behind a bad O-line and in a bad offense. 

The pick was bad, but Saquon is not. 

posted by SportsAndLady

Oh please. I’m not a Barkley guy. I even said on here when he was drafted that they fucked up with that pick. 

But you said on here that he sucks. Posters on here act like he’s terrible. He’s really, really good. And playing behind a bad O-line and in a bad offense. 

The pick was bad, but Saquon is not. 

I haven't seen anyone on here says he's "bad" or "sucks." Just wasn't great value where he was picked.

I wonder why they have a Spanish radio play...but still pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crv-c_qlglU

posted by BR1986FB

I haven't seen anyone on here says he's "bad" or "sucks." Just wasn't great value where he was picked.

Pretty sure COA did earlier this season.

posted by Laley23

Pretty sure COA did earlier this season.

Gotcha. I don't think he's bad or sucks. In fact, probably will be a great player. I just prefer (as I've probably said 100x's, lol) getting more value. Regardless of what many would like to think, if the Browns take Barkley at #1, I'm very skeptical that they still get Baker. I know quite a few people who think they could've had both.

posted by Laley23

Pretty sure COA did earlier this season.

My point then, and still is, as an offensive weapon Barkley is great. As a RB, he leaves a lot to be desired. His vision, and decision making are suspect at best. He's the ultimate 19 carries for 19 yds, 20 carriers for 100 type of player. If you value consistent yardage and reliability (as I do) he's not a great RB. If you value explosive plays he's great. He lacks discipline as a runner, and needs to get open in space to make anyone miss. Chubb makes dudes look like idiots at the LOS.

As for S&L saying his offense/line/blah blah is bad, I would add in Browns offense and oline isn't any better. In many ways it's worse. Let's take a look at the Giants Oline:

Both tackles are better than the browns tackles. `Advantage: NY Giants

WR: OBJ, nuff said. Add in Shepard. Advantage NY Giants, lol not close.

TE: Evan Engram v Njoku. Advantage NY Giants, no close.

QB: HoF QB vs rookie in Baker Mayfield. Advantage, debatable. I'd rather have Baker Mayfield at this point, but still a rookie with ups and downs.

RB: 2nd overall pick, deemed a "generational talent". lol Have to think advantage goes Giants here

Bottom line, Chubb is the better RB in a worse situation. lolfail Giants