How many times did Shipley drop passes...Quite a few..And im sure he probably missed shipley quite a few times in that Nebraska game.

I think the game would have been closer with McCoy but they still would have lost the game.

McCoy had his team 1st and goal from the one and could not get a TD that game was over right then. Alabama's defense turned on and off last night only because of a lack of focus and sleeping at the wheel did Texas score what they did. As soon as Texas closed that gap to make it 24-21 Alabama's defense turned the switch back to on and pummeled them into turnovers.

McCoy would have made the game different and closer but Texas is just not that great of team allowing over 200 rushing yards to Alabama.

rock_knutne wrote:

lhslep134 wrote:

rock_knutne wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but let's compare apples to apples. Losing you're starting QB is alot more devastating than losing your top WR.

What are you trying to say? I wasn't comparing Ginn's impact to McCoys. I stated that IMO, the two biggest what ifs occurred in national championship games, and then talked about each one. But I didn't compare them to each other, so I'm confused about what point you're trying to make.

Geesh, how hard is it to understand? The QB touches the ball on EVERY play, not the case for a WR. It's impossible to compare the "what if" factor in those two instances. IMO, Florida would have smoked OSU regardless of what happened, Ginn didn't play on the Oline and that's where OSU lost the game. On the contrary, Texas' backup QB, once he settled down, made some plays, imagine if McCoy plays the entire game, IMO, it's a different outcome. Injuries are a part of the game so it really doesn't matter in either instance.

Dude did you not read either of my posts? When did I compare them? I didn't compare them at all, I stated them side to side. It's hard to understand what you're trying to say when you can't comprehend that I'm not comparing them. You're an idiot if you think that I don't realize a QB is more important than a WR/PR/KR.

THEN, I specifically told you again that I wasn't comparing them, and you again responded like I was. I don't get it...

I don't think they would have. McCoy wasn't all that impressive against Nebraska (a lesser defense) and the WR's weren't doing a very good job all night. Not sure any QB could have done any better or worse than Gilbert did (maybe a few less TO's).

Alabama was winning this game no matter what IMO.

Yes

Alabama couldn't cover any of Texas' WR. Shipley was open all day and the other guy couldn't catch. Would they have been as open if there was a passing threat? Who knows. Bama figured Texas was just gonna run the ball and try not to get blown out. That is exactly what they did until the third quarter. At that point, the freshman tore them up. In the 4th when Bama played pass a little more, they got turnovers. Colt would not have thrown 4 picks. The way the coverage was going, he would have thrown for 500 yds if Bama plays the same coverage against him. Doubt that would have happened though.

It would have been a very interesting game if he would have played. Texas couldn't stop the run and Bama couldn't cover the pass. Wish I could have seen THAT game.

It killed Texas not getting TD's on those 1st 2 possessions. After the 2nd FG you're sort of saying as a Bama player "they can kick FG's all day, we know we can score."

Shipley did a good job of getting open; unfortunately, Gilbert locked onto him from the snap most of thenight and it made it easy on Bama defenders; he also had a number of other guys open he couldn't get the ball to

This game will be "what iffed" for the ages. What if McCoy didn't get hurt? What if the Texas receiver didn't drop the TD in the 2nd quarter that would have made it 17-13? What if Texas took a knee at the end of the half? I happen to think that, of the three, the dropped TD pass hurt Texas' chances the most. If they take a knee, Bama wouldn't have gotten so complacent and conservative in the 2nd half, sowing the seeds of a Texas comeback, and Bama would have soundly beat Texas. If Colt had not gotten injured, I think Bama would have played closer to their optimum thru the whole game with that challenge to them, and Bama would have handled Bama. Now if Texas got that TD pass in the 2nd qtr, it would have cut the lead and given them great momentum, and given the freshman QB a lot of confidence, and I feel that would have given them the best chance to be successful in the end, but maybe not enough even then for a Texas win, but it would have been their best chance.

Both coaches talk about the importance of playing and battling for 60 minutes. Some might say playing 59 minutes may have been better for Texas, if they would have taken at knee at the end of the 1st half, and then Gilbert would have gotten down before fumbling on the blitz the sealed the game. Kudos to Texas for playing the whole 60 minutes.

lhslep134 wrote: Dude did you not read either of my posts? When did I compare them? I didn't compare them at all, I stated them side to side. It's hard to understand what you're trying to say when you can't comprehend that I'm not comparing them. You're an idiot if you think that I don't realize a QB is more important than a WR/PR/KR.

THEN, I specifically told you again that I wasn't comparing them, and you again responded like I was. I don't get it...

And apparently you didn't read my posts. I don't think there would have been any "what if" in the OSU/FLA games if Ginn plays, non what so ever because of what I DESCRIBED in my previous posts.

I did read your posts. In fact, here's a brief summary so you can understand.

Me: 2 huge what ifs have been Ginn and McCoy (note: no comparison)
You: Let me obviously state that you can't compare a WR to a QB (note: you're implying I made a comparison)
Me: What are you talking about? I didn't make a comparison
You: You can't compare the what ifs of a QB and a WR
Me: I'm not comparing them! I'm not comparing them!
You: If Ginn plays, there's no what if.

Oh really? Well Ginn didn't play, so there IS a what-if! And, for the last time, I'm NOT comparing Ginn's what-if to McCoy's what-if. I'm STATING that those are the two biggest what-ifs I've seen recently.

Most of your posts make sense. None regarding what I've said have. I really don't know why you keep saying I'm making comparisons, when I've stated over and over that I'm listing them side by side because, IMO, both were important. Again, for the 209482309 time, not comparing them, just noting them.

rocket31 wrote: once.

how many did shipley and crew drop?

gilbert will be twice the quarterback mccoy ever dreamed of being

Rotinaj wrote: How many times did Shipley drop passes...Quite a few..And im sure he probably missed shipley quite a few times in that Nebraska game.

It was evident that there was zero timing between Gilbert and the Texas WR's, especially Shipley. If some of those passes were thrown to the right area or on time, there wouldn't have been as many drops. McCoy and Shipley know each others every move on the football field, if you couldn't see the difference with out McCoy in there then I don't know what else to say.

When the guy doesn't take meaningful snaps all year and probably 0 during bowl prep, you're not going to have chemistry and timing

Yes

lhslep134 wrote: I did read your posts. In fact, here's a brief summary so you can understand.

Me: 2 huge what ifs have been Ginn and McCoy (note: no comparison)
You: Let me obviously state that you can't compare a WR to a QB (note: you're implying I made a comparison)
Me: What are you talking about? I didn't make a comparison
You: You can't compare the what ifs of a QB and a WR
Me: I'm not comparing them! I'm not comparing them!
You: If Ginn plays, there's no what if.

Oh really? Well Ginn didn't play, so there IS a what-if! And, for the last time, I'm NOT comparing Ginn's what-if to McCoy's what-if. I'm STATING that those are the two biggest what-ifs I've seen recently.

Most of your posts make sense. None regarding what I've said have. I really don't know why you keep saying I'm making comparisons, when I've stated over and over that I'm listing them side by side because, IMO, both were important. Again, for the 209482309 time, not comparing them, just noting them.

LOL, look I'm not comparing the positions just the games and "what if" said player competes. That's the difference, IMO, there's no "what if" in the OSU/FLA game, I don't think Ginn would have made a difference in the out come but IMO, McCoy would have.

darbypitcher22 wrote: When the guy doesn't take meaningful snaps all year and probably 0 during bowl prep, you're not going to have chemistry and timing

Exactly!

it anyones guess. would bama have taken their foot of the accelerator and not tried to sit on lead? how about if ingram played the entire game, he disappeared for almost all of the 3rd quarter.

yes. and if JFK wasn't dead we'd be suffering through nuclear winter. hypotheticals waste peoples time.

rock_knutne wrote:

It was evident that there was zero timing between Gilbert and the Texas WR's, especially Shipley. If some of those passes were thrown to the right area or on time, there wouldn't have been as many drops. McCoy and Shipley know each others every move on the football field, if you couldn't see the difference with out McCoy in there then I don't know what else to say.

yeah, kind of like that stellar timing between texas WRs and colt mccoy vs nebraska, eh?

:rolleyes:


mccoy goes 20/36 for 184 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 int versus the only decent defensive team he played all year (nebraska) and you are trying to argue he would have performed better versus a better defensive team (alabama)

i guess it is true what they say, you need your head examined.

rock_knutne wrote:
LOL, look I'm not comparing the positions just the games and "what if" said player competes. That's the difference, IMO, there's no "what if" in the OSU/FLA game, I don't think Ginn would have made a difference in the out come but IMO, McCoy would have.

Okay, so you don't think Ginn's injury was impactful enough to the game to warrant a "what-if".

1. You could have made that a lot more clear
2. I completely, but respectfully, disagree with you

Yes. Alabama did not impress me.

yes

rocket31 wrote:yeah, kind of like that stellar timing between texas WRs and colt mccoy vs nebraska, eh?

:rolleyes:


mccoy goes 20/36 for 184 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 int versus the only decent defensive team he played all year (nebraska) and you are trying to argue he would have performed better versus a better defensive team (alabama)

i guess it is true what they say, you need your head examined.

I need my head examined? You're comparing two totally different games, what does the Nebraska game have to do with last night? If Gilbert delivers some of those passes on the money or in the right area, it's a different game. Don't start your bullshit with me rocket, God forbid anyone disagrees with you!

ccrunner609 wrote: ^^^He was cramping. I didnt see Bama take their foot off the gas at any time. What I saw was a QB that was getting raped by the D line only throwing for 58 yards for the whole game. Bama had to run the ball becasue they couldnt do anything else.

bama wasnt throwing in the second half because they didnt have to. saban was sitting on the lead. he had like three series where they ran it 3 times and punted. he was content just to run clock

Tiernan wrote: BTW...how come nobody is questioniong what a pussy the Heisman Trophy winner was last night? Cramps? c'mon he was walking around on the sideline. Ya think "cramps" ever kept Speilman out of a game? Jack Lambert? Barry Sanders? My f'n ex-wife gets "cramps"...whatta crock. Man up boy...its the Natl Championship.

What do you know? Jack Lambert quit pro football because of a big toe.

No. Colt McCoy doesn't play defense and Texas' defense let up most of the points. A real national championship team can overcome situations like this.