Fab4Runner;1860800 wrote:It baffles me that people like QO refuse to say his comments were wrong and disgusting.

are we sure they were wrong? Maybe she did just get a face lift.

THose people sit on TV and cut and lie about him all day. I know he is the president but at least he isnt getting bullied

Fab4Runner;1860800 wrote:It baffles me that people like QO refuse to say his comments were wrong and disgusting.

Well, you see, since he is in politics and runs with an R next to his name, that means he's really the second coming of Jebus and completely infallible. Any other letter next to his name and he'd be a piece of shit who needed to be drawn and quartered, but the R makes him a god.

People who think that way are funny. And divorced from reality. Making them more funny.

Spock;1860804 wrote:are we sure they were wrong? Maybe she did just get a face lift.

THose people sit on TV and cut and lie about him all day. I know he is the president but at least he isnt getting bullied

Wrong as in inappropriate....and yes, we are sure.

Spock;1860804 wrote:are we sure they were wrong? Maybe she did just get a face lift.

THose people sit on TV and cut and lie about him all day. I know he is the president but at least he isnt getting bullied

To comment on the desire to be seen with someone on television because of their appearance, whether or not it's because they had a facelift, is not discussion worthy of the office. It isn't even close to the line of what is appropriate.

And using your platform as president (which is where he speaks from as long as he holds the office ... you don't get to take that hat off in the public eye) to snipe at anyone's personal life is just evidence that he doesn't have the emotional maturity to ignore the barbs. He "isn't getting bullied" because he's a thin-skinned bully. Not because he has tough skin, a characteristic common to most presidents in recent memory, from both sides of the aisle.

From a policy standpoint, he's been pretty status quo, but from a character/ethics/respectability standpoint, I've never seen a president fail this hard (admittedly, I've only been following along since Bush 1).

O-Trap;1860803 wrote:The picture of blind allegiance.

right

Fab4Runner;1860780 wrote:A lot of his supporters are just fine with his comments. Sad!

100 would be considered "a lot" in some cases, but in a case like this I would think we should talk percentages. In percentage terms "a lot" is still subjective but even if we picked a "low ball" number of 25% to be "a lot", I doubt that many (although it would be close) would be "just fine" with today's tween in particular.

Most of his jabs at the media? yes
Today's purposefully crude attack on a specific person in the media? No.

What he said today was extremely "un-Presidential" and wrong.

O-Trap;1860793 wrote:Pretty thinly veiled red herring, wouldn't you say? His problematic statement had nothing to do with the travel ban.

What's problematic about it? His supporters don't give a shit, and everyone who already hates him has their butthurt quota filled for another few days.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

fish82;1860842 wrote:What's problematic about it? His supporters don't give a shit, and everyone who already hates him has their butthurt quota filled for another few days.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

His actions and words are a disgrace to our country. I'm ashamed for children in this country to see how a president behaves. This man has something seriously wrong with him. Grown men in positions of strength do not lash out at everyone that says "BOO!" to them unless they are deeply flawed in some way. That someone fitting this profile has the keys to the truck is terrifying.

Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough often are heavily critical of Trump. They have also heavily criticized Hillary Clinton, and still do. Clinton is pretty much irrelevant at this point (even if she's still trying to be important) whereas Trump is not. Hence, Trump will receive more of their collective ire. That's par for the course of any President.

What in the world Trump is thinking when he posts this sort of asinine and crude material is beyond me. There is no place for most of his Tweets but this is really beyond the pale (did I just use an Isa phrase?!). He needs to grow up!

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1860844 wrote:His actions and words are a disgrace to our country. I'm ashamed for children in this country to see how a president behaves. This man has something seriously wrong with him. Grown men in positions of strength do not lash out at everyone that says "BOO!" to them unless they are deeply flawed in some way. That someone fitting this profile has the keys to the truck is terrifying.

You must terrify pretty easily. Yes, he's a dickhead...but "terrifying?"

Pretty vaginal statement, IMO.

fish82;1860852 wrote:You must terrify pretty easily. Yes, he's a dickhead...but "terrifying?"

Pretty vaginal statement, IMO.

Nice

fish82;1860842 wrote:What's problematic about it? His supporters don't give a shit, and everyone who already hates him has their butthurt quota filled for another few days.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

And those who wish to take each thing he does on its own merit have less reason to be optimistic that he is going to figure out this whole "Presidential Office" thing. I was actually encouraged by the Republican Party today for having several to publicly call him out about this.

As for what's problematic about it, he singled someone out and said that he refused to do an interview with them because of how they looked. Assuming she did ask for an interview, she was obviously okay with it. Apparently, he wasn't.

That's problematic. For someone's decision-making to be that superficial, they don't reflect the office of President well. Hell, they don't reflect on a person's character at all well.

It's really funny how important character, integrity, and reverence for the office were when Bubba was getting a hummer. My, the times certainly have changed, haven't they?

fish82;1860852 wrote:You must terrify pretty easily. Yes, he's a dickhead...but "terrifying?"

Pretty vaginal statement, IMO.

The most powerful office in the country is currently occupied by a man with the maturity of a teen. I'm not personally terrified, but I can get how that's scarier than him being just some random dickhead.

O-Trap;1860862 wrote:And those who wish to take each thing he does on its own merit have less reason to be optimistic that he is going to figure out this whole "Presidential Office" thing. I was actually encouraged by the Republican Party today for having several to publicly call him out about this.

Anyone at this point holding out optimism that he’ll have some kind of &#8220residential office” epiphany is wasting their time. It’s not happening. This is how things will be until January 2021.

Republicans “call him out” all the time...I’m not sure how/why today was any different.

O-Trap;1860862 wrote:That’s problematic. For someone's decision-making to be that superficial, they don't reflect the office of President well. Hell, they don't reflect on a person's character at all well.

It's really funny how important character, integrity, and reverence for the office were when Bubba was getting a hummer. My, the times certainly have changed, haven't they?

Bill Clinton remained in office and finished his term with some pretty high approval ratings. Hence, I’d postulate that things haven’t changed much at all. Trump merely started where the bar was already set. The fact that he was elected with everyone already knowing what kind of person he was pretty much bears this out.

O-Trap;1860862 wrote:The most powerful office in the country is currently occupied by a man with the maturity of a teen. I'm not personally terrified, but I can get how that's scarier than him being just some random dickhead.

And yet, the country continues to hum along without anyone’s lives being appreciably affected by his antics. I guess I’m not wired to make the leap that because he tweeted mean things about Mika, that that’s some indication he’s gonna burn the planet down. It’s disconcerting, but hardly even scary...much less “terrifying.”

I still maintain that the only difference between Trump and LBJ/Andrew Jackson is hat he has a Twitter account.

QuakerOats;1860790 wrote:Gee, must have taken the media off the travel ban, which goes into effect today.

Yeah, and I await the report on the findings after the 90 days (September 29, near the end of the FY.) and what changes to the current system are they going to impose. (Which should have already been completed if this was such a pressing national security issue, but whatever.).

But, after 90 days I doubt we get any real report or answers. The Trump administration will either not say anything and silently let the ban continue until the SCOTUS ruling, or will say they can't share with the public the reasons, but for national security reasons the ban must continue.

CenterBHSFan;1860848 wrote:Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough often are heavily critical of Trump. They have also heavily criticized Hillary Clinton, and still do. Clinton is pretty much irrelevant at this point (even if she's still trying to be important) whereas Trump is not. Hence, Trump will receive more of their collective ire. That's par for the course of any President.

What in the world Trump is thinking when he posts this sort of asinine and crude material is beyond me. There is no place for most of his Tweets but this is really beyond the pale (did I just use an Isa phrase?!). He needs to grow up!

Link on the bash Hiliary?

ptown_trojans_1;1860874 wrote: (Which should have already been completed if this was such a pressing national security issue, but whatever.).

The illegal injunction kept that from happening but you knew that.

fish82;1860872 wrote:Anyone at this point holding out optimism that he’ll have some kind of “presidential office” epiphany is wasting their time. It’s not happening. This is how things will be until January 2021.

Republicans “call him out” all the time...I’m not sure how/why today was any different.



Bill Clinton remained in office and finished his term with some pretty high approval ratings. Hence, I’d postulate that things haven’t changed much at all. Trump merely started where the bar was already set. The fact that he was elected with everyone already knowing what kind of person he was pretty much bears this out.




And yet, the country continues to hum along without anyone’s lives being appreciably affected by his antics. I guess I’m not wired to make the leap that because he tweeted mean things about Mika, that that’s some indication he’s gonna burn the planet down. It’s disconcerting, but hardly even scary...much less “terrifying.”

I still maintain that the only difference between Trump and LBJ/Andrew Jackson is hat he has a Twitter account.

It's funny to watch you defend Trump.

SportsAndLady;1860881 wrote:It's funny to watch you defend Trump.

Equally funny to watch Ptown continue to selectively defend Obama.

Idiots have take over country.

fish82;1860872 wrote:Anyone at this point holding out optimism that he’ll have some kind of &#8220residential office” epiphany is wasting their time. It’s not happening. This is how things will be until January 2021.

Republicans “call him out” all the time...I’m not sure how/why today was any different.

Republicans have done so in roundabout ways, rarely being explicit. Today (or yesterday, rather), they did. It was nice to see.

fish82;1860872 wrote:Bill Clinton remained in office and finished his term with some pretty high approval ratings. Hence, I’d postulate that things haven’t changed much at all. Trump merely started where the bar was already set. The fact that he was elected with everyone already knowing what kind of person he was pretty much bears this out.

It's hardly unreasonable to assume that someone might act differently (while not necessarily thinking differently) once they are in a particular role.

Also, Clinton's approval ratings had more to do with the belief that he'd done so well for the economy. In regard to the actual impeachment, as well as the extracurricular activities while in office, there was plenty of outrage from the Republicans over it. Do you deny this?

fish82;1860872 wrote:And yet, the country continues to hum along without anyone’s lives being appreciably affected by his antics. I guess I’m not wired to make the leap that because he tweeted mean things about Mika, that that’s some indication he’s gonna burn the planet down. It’s disconcerting, but hardly even scary...much less “terrifying.”

First, we're not even six months in. Let's not pretend he doesn't have ample time left to do something impactful out of this pettiness.

Second, while I don't fear for myself any more than you do, that doesn't mean that I can't understand others being a little more fearful. I could certainly understand at least some uncertainty from a Muslim, a Cuba-born or Iran-born citizen, or someone with family in those places who wish to come to the US. There has definitely seemed to be an uptick in the openness of the hostility toward immigrants from certain parts of the world (even legal ones) and people who espouse a particular religious worldview.

fish82;1860872 wrote:I still maintain that the only difference between Trump and LBJ/Andrew Jackson is hat he has a Twitter account.

I wasn't around for either of them, so I can't say.

gut;1860887 wrote:Idiots have take over country.

Belly? Is that you?

O-Trap;1860892 wrote: Belly? Is that you?

I know you don't disagree.

Spock;1860875 wrote:Link on the bash Hiliary?

Here are just some of them, in no particular order:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tHuyO9mH-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs1TsiyjZA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maVuOWDOHL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkJE0U8Qby4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leyo7invUjE

SportsAndLady;1860881 wrote:It's funny to watch you defend Trump.

I think Fishy is right on what he said, though. I don't know of any Trump voter in my area who cares what he tweets about. It just doesn't matter to them. In fact, Trump is already raising money in order to run again in '20, and it seems his money-supporters aren't holding back.

SportsAndLady;1860881 wrote:It's funny to watch you defend Trump.

That's a pretty dumb statement. Please show where I've ever defended him.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:Republicans have done so in roundabout ways, rarely being explicit. Today (or yesterday, rather), they did. It was nice to see.

That's simply false. I'll leave it at that.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:It's hardly unreasonable to assume that someone might act differently (while not necessarily thinking differently) once they are in a particular role.

Unreasonable? No. Unlikely? Yes.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:Also, Clinton's approval ratings had more to do with the belief that he'd done so well for the economy. In regard to the actual impeachment, as well as the extracurricular activities while in office, there was plenty of outrage from the Republicans over it. Do you deny this?

Of course I don't. There was just as much outrage from the GOP as there is from the democrat party today. Now that I think about it, there wasn't any rioting in the streets by the GOP, so today's democrats probably have the edge. Also, the democrats defended Clinton far more vigorously than the GOP is defending Trump, FWIW.

My point is kind of made here...the public puts a pretty low weight on in-office conduct in their evaluation of a POTUS' job performance. Clinton's approval was well north of 60% thought the entire scandal, including the Senate trial. This, while committing perjury and trying to rig the outcome of a court case.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:First, we're not even six months in. Let's not pretend he doesn't have ample time left to do something impactful out of this pettiness.

There's no reason to think he might do several impactful things, while maintaining the same level of pettiness. It's not like he'd be the first POTUS to do it.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:Second, while I don't fear for myself any more than you do, that doesn't mean that I can't understand others being a little more fearful. I could certainly understand at least some uncertainty from a Muslim, a Cuba-born or Iran-born citizen, or someone with family in those places who wish to come to the US. There has definitely seemed to be an uptick in the openness of the hostility toward immigrants from certain parts of the world (even legal ones) and people who espouse a particular religious worldview.

There's been an "uptick" in hostility running both directions. That said, only one side has shown the vast majority propensity for blowing shit up and killing people.

I guess a foreign-born citizen could be concerned that their cousin now can't come visit for 90 days. That could be problematic. That still doesn't change the original point...that "terrified" is an incredibly dumb adjective to use.

O-Trap;1860892 wrote:I wasn't around for either of them, so I can't say.

Historical source material is a great resource.

fish82;1860902 wrote:That's a pretty dumb statement. Please show where I've ever defended him.

That's pretty typical - if you're not piling on Trump, then you must be an idiot Trump voter (not that S&L is a libtard).

I suspected it after Obama and Trump is proving it - POTUS is just a talking head that doesn't really do much.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-create-panel-remove-trump-office-quietly-picks-democratic-support-124521145.html

Sounds like more useless legislation. Why waste time on something that can't be passed without bipartisan participation? I wish both parties would get down to business and work on some real issues.