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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 20, 2014 8:30pm
Hard to cover when 2 receivers are driving your DBs into the back of the endzone.Tiernan;1665265 wrote:If the Fuck State University Thuggers hadn't blown the coverage so gawd awful bad and had not Robinson been so wide open the official swallows his flag. It's a God Damn shame these raping, theiving, lying bastards are gonna be in the playoffs because they have not earned it.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 8:36pm
ND needs to move Prosise and Fuller to the O-Line then. Pretty impressive that 2 WRs were able to successfully "block" 3 DBs to leave Robinson completely wide open.WebFire;1665267 wrote:Hard to cover when 2 receivers are driving your DBs into the back of the endzone.
Also...guess I'm not the only one that feels like it was a bullshit call.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4550925
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Oct 20, 2014 8:38pm
I assumed you were the only one. Who knew.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 20, 2014 8:57pm
The final word is that call is not made anywhere else except Tallahassee at that exact moment and a bunch of renegade Thuggers and their hill jack coach are rewarded for being fuck ups.
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superman
Posts: 3,582
Oct 20, 2014 9:14pm
So the idiots that read espn.com, hate Jameis Winston and FSU.sherm03;1665274 wrote:
Also...guess I'm not the only one that feels like it was a bullshit call.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4550925
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 9:18pm
Oh, fans subjective opinions. Nevermind.sherm03;1665274 wrote:ND needs to move Prosise and Fuller to the O-Line then. Pretty impressive that 2 WRs were able to successfully "block" 3 DBs to leave Robinson completely wide open.
Also...guess I'm not the only one that feels like it was a bullshit call.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4550925
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 20, 2014 9:33pm
All 1800 of them.Sonofanump;1665295 wrote:Oh, fans subjective opinions. Nevermind.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Oct 21, 2014 12:11am
ACC explains controversial Notre Dame penalty in FSU game http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/20/7010149/notre-dame-pass-interference-acc-official-explanation
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 21, 2014 6:22am
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 21, 2014 8:40am
They only blocked 2. That's all they needed.sherm03;1665274 wrote:ND needs to move Prosise and Fuller to the O-Line then. Pretty impressive that 2 WRs were able to successfully "block" 3 DBs to leave Robinson completely wide open.
Also...guess I'm not the only one that feels like it was a bullshit call.
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4550925
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 21, 2014 10:13am
Somebody, Anybody...please beat the Criminoles before this season ends. Having this kind of lawless program represent CFB would be a travesty that could impact the game as we know it for years. Why not just start recruiting Thuggers out of the penal systems to play? FSU is exactly that a sanctuary for future convicts.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Oct 21, 2014 10:23am
You think the NCAA would make FSU vacate wins if Winston is dismissed for any reasons?
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 21, 2014 10:26am
Who cares? Vacated wins are pointless. If he is dismissed before the season ends, the NCAA won't make any ruling on punishments until after the season. By then, it won't matter because either FSU will lose without him or they will have the wins on the field and nobody will care about what was vacated.ernest_t_bass;1665482 wrote:You think the NCAA would make FSU vacate wins if Winston is dismissed for any reasons?
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 21, 2014 1:57pm
Tiernan;1665481 wrote:Somebody, Anybody...please beat the Criminoles before this season ends. Having this kind of lawless program represent CFB would be a travesty that could impact the game as we know it for years. Why not just start recruiting Thuggers out of the penal systems to play? FSU is exactly that a sanctuary for future convicts.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 21, 2014 7:30pm
idiotKnightRyder;1665564 wrote::laugh:
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 21, 2014 8:59pm
Sherm - I would normally agree with you regarding vacated wins but in the case of the Criminoles I think most of America is disgusted with them and would gladly accept their enforced losses as payback for the shit they've gotten away with since Rapeis Winston came onboard. I'm sure ND fans in particular would appreciate the win that was stolen from them by the zebras.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Oct 21, 2014 9:19pm
There is the daily "I have no life I think I'll troll osu on a 10 person message board" post from Ryder.KnightRyder;1665564 wrote::laugh:
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 21, 2014 10:02pm
I don't count the '05 Bush Push game as a win after USC had to vacate it. I wouldn't consider this game a win if FSU had to vacate it.Tiernan;1665684 wrote:Sherm - I would normally agree with you regarding vacated wins but in the case of the Criminoles I think most of America is disgusted with them and would gladly accept their enforced losses as payback for the shit they've gotten away with since Rapeis Winston came onboard. I'm sure ND fans in particular would appreciate the win that was stolen from them by the zebras.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 21, 2014 10:45pm
:laugh:vball10set;1665670 wrote:idiot
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 22, 2014 7:38am
KnightRyder;1665710 wrote::laugh:
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 22, 2014 9:53am
vball10set;1665738 wrote:
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KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 22, 2014 11:54am
How soon you forgot about this http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/christinebrennan/2013/01/17/manti-teo-notre-dame-lizzy-seeberg/1843131/Tiernan;1665684 wrote:Sherm - I would normally agree with you regarding vacated wins but in the case of the Criminoles I think most of America is disgusted with them and would gladly accept their enforced losses as payback for the shit they've gotten away with since Rapeis Winston came onboard. I'm sure ND fans in particular would appreciate the win that was stolen from them by the zebras.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Oct 22, 2014 6:20pm
UNC done goofed.
Here's the report: [url]http://advancingrefor.staging.wpengi...NAL-REPORT.pdf[/url]
There's a ton in there. But some highlights:
Between 1993 and 2011, Crowder and Nyang’oro developed and ran a “shadow curriculum” within the AFAM Department that provided students with academically flawed instruction through the offering of “paper classes.” These were classes that involved no interaction with a faculty member, required no class attendance or course work other than a single paper, and resulted in consistently high grades that Crowder awarded without reading the papers or otherwise evaluating their true quality.
A good number of these student-athletes were “steered” to the AFAM paper classes by certain academic counselors in ASPSA. This steering was most prevalent among the counselors for the revenue sports of football and men’s basketball. While some of these counselors knew only that these were easy classes, others were fully aware that there was no faculty involvement and that Crowder was managing the whole course and grading the papers. Those counselors saw these paper classes as “GPA boosters” and steered players into them largely in order to help them maintain their GPAs and their eligibility under the NCAA and Chapel Hill eligibility rules. At least two of those counselors went so far as to suggest what grades Crowder should award to their players who were taking her paper classes.
ASPSA made tutors available to all student-athletes, and those tutors often helped the student-athletes with their paper-class papers. While most conducted themselves appropriately, several of the tutors crossed the line between permissible and impermissible assistance and drafted parts of the papers that the student-athletes submitted for credit in these classes.
Like many universities, the Chapel Hill administration took a loose, decentralized approach to management of its departments and department chairpersons, on the theory that strong management in the college environment unduly constrains the academic independence that fosters creative instruction and research. As a result of this approach, the University failed to conduct any meaningful oversight of the AFAM Department and ASPSA, and Crowder’s paper class scheme was allowed to operate within one of the nation’s premier academic institutions for almost two decades.
We found no evidence that the higher levels of the University tried in any way to obscure the facts or the magnitude of this situation. To the extent there were times of delay or equivocation in their response to this controversy, we largely attribute that to insufficient appreciation of the scale of the problem, an understandable lack of experience with this sort of institutional crisis and some lingering disbelief that such misconduct could have occurred at Chapel Hill.
My personal favorite:
A total of 2,152 individual students who enrolled in the paper classes were included in this impact analysis. Of that number, 329 students (including 169 student-athletes) had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual cumulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes. Of that number, we identified 81 students who earned degrees from Chapel Hill whose recalculated final GPA excluding the grade(s) from their paper class or classes was less than the 2.0 required to graduate.
Here's the report: [url]http://advancingrefor.staging.wpengi...NAL-REPORT.pdf[/url]
There's a ton in there. But some highlights:
Between 1993 and 2011, Crowder and Nyang’oro developed and ran a “shadow curriculum” within the AFAM Department that provided students with academically flawed instruction through the offering of “paper classes.” These were classes that involved no interaction with a faculty member, required no class attendance or course work other than a single paper, and resulted in consistently high grades that Crowder awarded without reading the papers or otherwise evaluating their true quality.
A good number of these student-athletes were “steered” to the AFAM paper classes by certain academic counselors in ASPSA. This steering was most prevalent among the counselors for the revenue sports of football and men’s basketball. While some of these counselors knew only that these were easy classes, others were fully aware that there was no faculty involvement and that Crowder was managing the whole course and grading the papers. Those counselors saw these paper classes as “GPA boosters” and steered players into them largely in order to help them maintain their GPAs and their eligibility under the NCAA and Chapel Hill eligibility rules. At least two of those counselors went so far as to suggest what grades Crowder should award to their players who were taking her paper classes.
ASPSA made tutors available to all student-athletes, and those tutors often helped the student-athletes with their paper-class papers. While most conducted themselves appropriately, several of the tutors crossed the line between permissible and impermissible assistance and drafted parts of the papers that the student-athletes submitted for credit in these classes.
Like many universities, the Chapel Hill administration took a loose, decentralized approach to management of its departments and department chairpersons, on the theory that strong management in the college environment unduly constrains the academic independence that fosters creative instruction and research. As a result of this approach, the University failed to conduct any meaningful oversight of the AFAM Department and ASPSA, and Crowder’s paper class scheme was allowed to operate within one of the nation’s premier academic institutions for almost two decades.
We found no evidence that the higher levels of the University tried in any way to obscure the facts or the magnitude of this situation. To the extent there were times of delay or equivocation in their response to this controversy, we largely attribute that to insufficient appreciation of the scale of the problem, an understandable lack of experience with this sort of institutional crisis and some lingering disbelief that such misconduct could have occurred at Chapel Hill.
My personal favorite:
A total of 2,152 individual students who enrolled in the paper classes were included in this impact analysis. Of that number, 329 students (including 169 student-athletes) had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual cumulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes. Of that number, we identified 81 students who earned degrees from Chapel Hill whose recalculated final GPA excluding the grade(s) from their paper class or classes was less than the 2.0 required to graduate.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Oct 22, 2014 7:13pm
Shut upKnightRyder;1665805 wrote:How soon you forgot about this http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/christinebrennan/2013/01/17/manti-teo-notre-dame-lizzy-seeberg/1843131/
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
Oct 22, 2014 7:17pm
vball10set;1665935 wrote:Shut up
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