Archive 2014 General College Football Thread

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Oct 24, 2014 12:16pm

Everything I aside I think we all can laugh over this (unless you are webbie).

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11751719/michigan-wolverines-lower-prices-student-tickets-football-games-2015

How much do OSU student tickets costs?

Scarlet_Buckeye

Posts: 5,264

Oct 24, 2014 12:31pm

Iliketurtles;1666370 wrote:Here are the Big 10 teams with winning records LOL.

Michigan State (6-1, 3-0)
Jacksonville State (5-1) – Who?
Eastern Michigan (2-5) – Who?
Wyoming (3-4) – Who?

Ohio State (5-1, 2-0)
Navy (3-4) – Not a good team
Kent State (1-6) – Who?
Cincinnati (3-3) – Not a good team

Maryland (5-2, 2-1)
James Madison (4-3) – Who?
South Florida (3-4) – Not a good team
Syracuse (3-4) – Not a football school

Rutgers (5-2, 2-1)
Washington State (2-5) – Been better than their record shows but still not a good team
Howard (1-7) – Who?
Navy (3-4) – Not a good team
Tulane (2-5) – Who?

Penn State (4-2, 1-2)
UCF (4-2) – Ok win they aren’t even close to the team they were last year
Akron (4-3) – Ok MAC team
UMASS (2-6) – Who?

Minnesota (6-1, 3-0)
Eastern Illinois (2-5) – Who?
Middle Tennessee (5-3) – Ok team
San Jose State (3-3) – Who? (You’re words not mine)

Nebraska (6-1, 2-1)
Florida Atlantic (3-4) – Who?
McNeese State (4-2) – Who?
Fresno State (3-5) – Not a good team
Miami (5-3) – Best win for B1G so far again it’s again an average team from the ACC (Who pretty much every Big 10 fan says is easily the worst power 5 conference)

Iowa (5-2, 2-1)
Northern Iowa (3-4) – Who?
Ball State (2-5) – Who?
Iowa State (2-5) – Not a good team
Pitt (4-3) – Another win against an average ACC team

Wisconsin (4-2, 1-1)
Western Illinois (3-5) – Who?
Bowling Green (5-3) – Decent MAC team… unless you’re Classy then you think they are the best.
South Florida (3-4) – Not a good team

You're missing the point. The point of this wasn't to say that the Big Ten has all these great non-conference wins. The point was to demonstrate that the SEC doesn't have all these great magical wins over "powerhouse" teams either! No one is saying the Big Ten has beaten any good teams; yet MANY people are stating that the SEC has all these "great wins". Please... show me "all these great wins".

Scarlet_Buckeye

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Oct 24, 2014 12:33pm

SportsAndLady;1666373 wrote:^I think the point isn't that the big ten has great OOC games/wins. It's that basically the same can be said for every conference yet the SEC gets a pass on their cupcake schedule because of how "brutal" the conference is, even though that's just media hype.

Can't believe I'm going to actually say this, but "Reps".

ernest_t_bass

Posts: 24,984

Oct 24, 2014 12:35pm

Turtles... who do you root for?

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Oct 24, 2014 12:39pm

I am a Florida State fan. I grewup in Florida in the late 80's to the mid 90's before the "bandwagon" stuff comes out.

SportsAndLady

Posts: 35,632

Oct 24, 2014 12:39pm

Turtles roots for FSU

ernest_t_bass

Posts: 24,984

Oct 24, 2014 12:40pm

Iliketurtles;1666393 wrote:I am a Florida State fan. I grewup in Florida in the late 80's to the mid 90's before the "bandwagon" stuff comes out.

Gotcha

Iliketurtles

Posts: 8,191

Oct 24, 2014 12:44pm

Also SB, I got your point perfectly clear. I was essentially just saying the same thing sleeper did but giving you the visual of it. If you would have read my other posts on the matter(the one to S&L) you would have seen where I also said the SEC is overhyped. But they are still the best conference.

sleeper

Posts: 27,879

Oct 24, 2014 1:00pm

Iliketurtles;1666400 wrote:Also SB, I got your point perfectly clear. I was essentially just saying the same thing sleeper did but giving you the visual of it. If you would have read my other posts on the matter(the one to S&L) you would have seen where I also said the SEC is overhyped. But they are still the best conference.

There really is no way to say what the best conference is. Conference dominance wasn't a thing until CBS/ESPN signed huge media deals with SEC schools and then the conference just happened to have the best team the past few years. Alabama being dominant doesn't and shouldn't make the East any less shitty or the bottom half of the SEC any less shitty. Miss St is a surprise but really the other teams are just garbage.

ernest_t_bass

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Oct 24, 2014 1:57pm

IMO, a team like Georgia is no different than Minnesota, but you'll never see Minnesota getting the same hype... mostly because SEC.

Heretic

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Oct 24, 2014 2:10pm

ernest_t_bass;1666420 wrote:IMO, a team like Georgia is no different than Minnesota, but you'll never see Minnesota getting the same hype... mostly because SEC.

Well, that and how Minnesota lost to the one competent team they've played so far, with their wins being over nobodies. Georgia played three teams ranked when they played them (1 ACC, 2 SEC) and went 2-1 against that bunch. The only real similarity there is they both are 6-1. One might be a bit overrated and one might be a bit underrated, but to say they're no different is a major stretch.

A better comparison would be Georgia and 16th-ranked Nebraska, who at least was very competitive against a good team in their one loss (to Michigan State, which is far better than Georgia's loss to an okay, but not particularly good, South Carolina) and has one somewhat good non-conference win (Miami, who isn't that great, but is a better win than anything Minnesota has).

ernest_t_bass

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Oct 24, 2014 2:19pm

Nope. I stand by my statement!

Heretic

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Oct 24, 2014 2:30pm

ernest_t_bass;1666432 wrote:Nope. I stand by my statement!

Well, if your statement is to take the media exaggeration of the SEC and flip it to a double-exaggeration against them, kudos!

Rotinaj

Posts: 7,699

Oct 24, 2014 2:32pm

The crying done on here about the SEC always makes me laugh. Please continue throughout the season. Thanks.

sleeper

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Oct 24, 2014 2:50pm

ernest_t_bass;1666420 wrote:IMO, a team like Georgia is no different than Minnesota, but you'll never see Minnesota getting the same hype... mostly because SEC.

They are the same in the sense that they are both terrible. Georgia fucking blows; every single year.

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Tiernan

Posts: 13,021

Oct 24, 2014 7:59pm

Last nights implosion by VT killed any possible chance OSU had. As long as there are any other 1 loss SEC, Big 12 or PAC left the Bucks are screwed. The new QB excuse might have worked until a 3 loss Canes spanked the the team that beat us.

wildcats20

Posts: 27,794

Oct 24, 2014 10:37pm

Oregon's defense is such trash. Cal is getting whatever they want.

wildcats20

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Oct 24, 2014 10:38pm

Right on cue.

ptown_trojans_1

Posts: 7,632

Oct 24, 2014 10:38pm

wildcats20;1666485 wrote:Oregon's defense is such trash. Cal is getting whatever they want.

Well, it is the 2nd best offense in the Pac-12 they are facing. But, Cal has a worse defense.
So, taking the over looks really good so far.
Oregon should still win...

believer

Posts: 8,153

Oct 24, 2014 10:45pm

Rotinaj;1666438 wrote:The crying done on here about the SEC always makes me laugh. Please continue throughout the season. Thanks.

Haha exactly. When the B1G starts winning national championships year in and year out like the SEC then - yeah - points taken. Until then.....

ptown_trojans_1

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Oct 24, 2014 10:56pm

believer;1666489 wrote:Haha exactly. When the B1G starts winning national championships year in and year out like the SEC then - yeah - points taken. Until then.....

Ehh, to me I always take it as the SEC is 1 sure, but they are not golden and unflawed. They are overrated in the sense they are so propped up that it is unreasonable they are ranked so highly. That bias does show itself in the polls as they have better chance to move up or not drop as far based on conference perception.

Again, they are the best, but they are not head and shoulders above the Pac-12 or the Big 12 and sense they are propped so high, it is fair to say they are overrated compared to where they should be.

Put it another way. The SEC is ranked like an A+, over 95% when in reality they are more like a 91% or 92% while the say Pac-12 is like a B ranked around an 88%. So, the perception is about a 15% gap when in reality it is around 4%. That is technically overrated.

Azubuike24

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Oct 24, 2014 11:40pm

The SEC gets the benefit of the in-conference hype and pre-season rankings. I said it.

However, look at their OOC schedule AND wins and you will find more OOC games against quality opponents than anyone else.

#11 K-State, 1 loss to an SEC team
#18 East Carolina, 1 loss to an SEC team
#21 Clemson, 1 of 2 losses to an SEC team
#22 West Virginia, 1 of 2 losses to an SEC team

Sure, they all play a Sun Belt or FCS opponent, that's basically the same as playing a MAC opponent. The biggest reason for those games are proximity of the opponent and whose pockets are being lined.

Kent State is really no different than Charleston Southern or Georgia Southern.

believer

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Oct 25, 2014 8:24am

ptown_trojans_1;1666494 wrote:Ehh, to me I always take it as the SEC is 1 sure, but they are not golden and unflawed. They are overrated in the sense they are so propped up that it is unreasonable they are ranked so highly. That bias does show itself in the polls as they have better chance to move up or not drop as far based on conference perception.

Again, they are the best, but they are not head and shoulders above the Pac-12 or the Big 12 and sense they are propped so high, it is fair to say they are overrated compared to where they should be.

Put it another way. The SEC is ranked like an A+, over 95% when in reality they are more like a 91% or 92% while the say Pac-12 is like a B ranked around an 88%. So, the perception is about a 15% gap when in reality it is around 4%. That is technically overrated.

Is there an SEC bias in the polls (which supposedly don't matter anymore)? Yes. But is the SEC better than the other Power 5 conferences? Definitely.

Again, until another conference steps up and consistently wins national championships, that ranking bias for the SEC will remain in place.

Fun facts (after an admittedly quick look-up):

In the BCS era, the SEC has 26 BCS bowl appearances with 17 victories. 10 of those BCS appearances were for the national championship and the SEC won 9 of the 10.

In the BCS era, the B1G has 28 BCS bowl appearances with 13 victories. 3 of those BCS appearances were for the national championship and the B1G won 1 of the 3. Thank God for Ohio State.

In the BCS era, the Big 12 has 21 BCS bowl appearances with 12 victories. 5 of those BCS appearances were for the national championship and the Big 12 won 2 of the 5.

In the BCS era, the ACC has 26 BCS bowl appearances with 8 victories. 6 of those BCS appearances were for the national championship and the ACC 2 won 2 of the 6.

In the BCS era, the PAC 12 has 22 BCS bowl appearances with 15 victories. 3 of those BCS appearances were for the national championship and the PAC 12 won 1 of the 3.

BCS appearances goes to the B1G.
BCS wins goes to the SEC.
BCS championships goes to the SEC...by a mile.
BCS winning % goes to the PAC 12 at 68%.

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Tiernan

Posts: 13,021

Oct 25, 2014 10:07am

Quit siting BCS stats...they don't mean shit now, the realignments that came mostly late in the BCS life span negated all that. I'm the smartest person on this board and while I'm a huge Bucks fan I will concede the SEC is standing above the other 4 power conferences at the moment and will more than likely place 2 teams in the play-offs and probably have a legit bitch it shoulda been 3. Don't for a second think TV money isn't going to have some influence on trying to spread the 4 teams somewhat regionally.

believer

Posts: 8,153

Oct 25, 2014 11:20am

Tiernan;1666544 wrote:Quit siting BCS stats...they don't mean shit now,....

lol This makes it easier to understand:

BCS Records	Appearances	NC
PAC 12 15-7	0.682	B1G 28	SEC 9
SEC 17-9	0.654	SEC 26	Big 12 2
Big 12 12-9	0.571	ACC 26	ACC 2
B1G 13-15	0.464	PAC 12 22	B1G 1
ACC 8-18	0.307	Big 12 21	PAC 12 1