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thavoice
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Oct 20, 2014 2:22pm
The thing is...it was totally not necessary.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 20, 2014 2:22pm
The penalty was called on fuller. So bc Darby stepped in front of fillers slant route its offensive pass interference? It's not like fuller went straight into him blocking. He took his outside release and ran his correct slant routelhslep134;1665115 wrote:That was a terrible video. The penalty was called on the holding, not on the slant.
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That vine I just posted shows all you need to see.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 20, 2014 2:23pm
It's such an obvious call I don't know how anyone can refute it. Could have been called on both guys.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 2:25pm
That vine shows me a DB cheating inside to cut off the slant (essentially putting him completely out of position to cover the out route). And the other view shows the DB sliding over and initiating contact. That's not a flag on the offense.lhslep134;1665115 wrote:That was a terrible video. The penalty was called on the holding, not on the slant.
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That vine I just posted shows all you need to see.
To look at it another way, had the ball been thrown to Fuller instead of Robinson, there's a good case for defensive pass interference. So it's hard for me to rationalize that call on Fuller.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 2:26pm
That's also the view that the official who threw the flag had. So not sure how you can discount the angle of it.lhslep134;1665118 wrote:That view they showed in that video is terrible, it completely fails to show the clear penalty. Not surprised that's the view presented by the South Bend media and not the goal line view that shows the penalty
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 20, 2014 2:28pm
That vine shows the inside receiver run blocking from the snap on a passing play. Not sure where you got your football education, but that's not allowed.sherm03;1665123 wrote:That vine shows me a DB cheating inside to cut off the slant
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Oct 20, 2014 2:31pm
Lol once again they called the penalty on fuller. There is no way you can call that on fuller. Not sure where you got your football education from but last I checked a DB cutting a receiver off from his route isn't offensive pass interferencelhslep134;1665127 wrote:That vine shows the inside receiver run blocking from the snap on a passing play. Not sure where you got your football education, but that's not allowed.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 20, 2014 2:45pm
Never ever ever ever in football history has a penalty been called on the wrong person when a clear penalty has occurred.Crimson streak;1665129 wrote:Lol once again they called the penalty on fuller. There is no way you can call that on fuller. Not sure where you got your football education from but last I checked a DB cutting a receiver off from his route isn't offensive pass interference
Since that above statement isn't true, your point is moot. The Irish clearly committed offensive pass interference by run blocking on a pass play and got OPI called on them. The fact that you guys are nit-picking over who it was called on, when there was clearly a penalty committed anyways, is just frivolous bitching and moaning.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 2:53pm
lhslep134;1665127 wrote:That vine shows the inside receiver run blocking from the snap on a passing play. Not sure where you got your football education, but that's not allowed.
The penalty was called on Fuller. Prosise wasn't blocking, the DB jammed him at the line of scrimmage and never let go. He was trying to disengage in the end zone and turn around to get the ball. Not a penalty.lhslep134;1665135 wrote:Never ever ever ever in football history has a penalty been called on the wrong person when a clear penalty has occurred.
Since that above statement isn't true, your point is moot. The Irish clearly committed offensive pass interference by run blocking on a pass play and got OPI called on them. The fact that you guys are nit-picking over who it was called on, when there was clearly a penalty committed anyways, is just frivolous bitching and moaning.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Oct 20, 2014 3:00pm
ND sucks, but they got hosed pretty hard on that call. Hopefully they can win out and get blown out in the playoffs.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Oct 20, 2014 3:10pm
I thought it was called on the most inside receiver.sherm03;1665143 wrote:The penalty was called on Fuller. Prosise wasn't blocking, the DB jammed him at the line of scrimmage and never let go. He was trying to disengage in the end zone and turn around to get the ball. Not a penalty.
I didnt see it that way that he was trying to disengage. He was just driving him back into the end zone. If it it was called on the other receiver then yeah, I think it is a bad call.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 20, 2014 3:10pm
Alright I'm officially done talking to you about this. Your homerism is too much if you think he wasn't blocking. You guys ran the exact play to the opposite side earlier in the game and got away with it. It's designed offensive holding, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.sherm03;1665143 wrote: Prosise wasn't blocking, the DB jammed him
I wanted you guys to beat FSU since your remaining schedule is tougher but now I'm glad you guys lost, and the manner in which it happened.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 3:13pm
Well...that's cool. You're entitled to be a dick. Let me ask you one more question...if the view that you posted is such a definitive angle, why didn't the ref along the goal line throw that flag? Why did the back judge throw it? The view you posted is from the view of the ref along the goal line and he never threw it.lhslep134;1665156 wrote:Alright I'm officially done talking to you about this. Your homerism is too much if you think he wasn't blocking.
I wanted you guys to beat FSU since your remaining schedule is tougher but now I'm glad you guys lost, and the manner in which it happened.
And if you don't think the DB jammed Prosise at the line, then I'm done talking with you about it because you're fucking retarded.
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 3:17pm
Holy crap some posters on this board are either too far into fandom to see fact or don't have a clear understanding of the game.
Did Brian Kelly complain, once he saw the flag, he knew that his designed pick play was called and started looking for a new offensive play.
Did Brian Kelly complain, once he saw the flag, he knew that his designed pick play was called and started looking for a new offensive play.
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 3:20pm
The official on the line of scrimmage was responsible for the catch (as he would be on all passes of that length) as that was he key from the snap and as the play progressed. The back judge and field judge have the receivers who blocked on the play.sherm03;1665158 wrote:why didn't the ref along the goal line throw that flag? Why did the back judge throw it? The view you posted is from the view of the ref along the goal line and he never threw it.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 3:21pm
Umm? What?Sonofanump;1665160 wrote:Holy crap some posters on this board are either too far into fandom to see fact or don't have a clear understanding of the game.
Did Brian Kelly complain, once he saw the flag, he knew that his designed pick play was called and started looking for a new offensive play.
"It's a pretty common play in the NCAA… It's hard for me to put it all together." — NotreDame HC Brian Kelly
Brian Kelly: "We execute that play every day, and we do it legally. We don't coach illegal plays.”
“Florida State blew the coverage and they got rewarded for it.” - Brian Kelly
"We'll have our conversation with the supervisor of ACC officials later this afternoon & I'm sure we'll get even less clarification" — Kelly
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 3:23pm
Sorry can't help you if you don't understand coach speak after a game to what he did in the heat of the moment.sherm03;1665165 wrote:Umm? What?
"It's a pretty common play in the NCAA… It's hard for me to put it all together." — NotreDame HC Brian Kelly
Brian Kelly: "We execute that play every day, and we do it legally. We don't coach illegal plays.”
“Florida State blew the coverage and they got rewarded for it.” - Brian Kelly
"We'll have our conversation with the supervisor of ACC officials later this afternoon & I'm sure we'll get even less clarification" — Kelly
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 20, 2014 3:26pm
This is why:sherm03;1665158 wrote: why didn't the ref along the goal line throw that flag? .
Sonofanump;1665162 wrote:The official on the line of scrimmage was responsible for the catch (as he would be on all passes of that length) as that was he key from the snap and as the play progressed. The back judge and field judge have the receivers who blocked on the play.
Like I said, it was blatant and designed offensive holding, and you're refusing to acknowledge it. So now you're the "f*cking retarded" one, just like I tried to say. You're both a homer and stupid. Congratulations.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Oct 20, 2014 3:27pm
Sonofanump, thanks for providing clarification.
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 3:31pm
Post #1621. Photographic evidence of the DB jamming Prosise at the LOS and not disengaging. Not a block.lhslep134;1665171 wrote:This is why:
Like I said, it was blatant and designed offensive holding, and you're refusing to acknowledge it. So now you're the "f*cking retarded" one, just like I tried to say. You're both a homer and stupid. Congratulations.
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 3:31pm
It doesn't even have to be holding. The receiver knows he route and it is his responsibility to avoid the defender. Any sort of downfield material effect on a defender on a pass first touched beyond the neutral zone at the point of attack is an OPI foul.lhslep134;1665171 wrote:Like I said, it was blatant and designed offensive holding
sherm03
Posts: 7,349
Oct 20, 2014 3:33pm
So the DB slides in front of a WR...or jams a receiver at the LOS and doesn't disengage...and that's an offensive foul?Sonofanump;1665177 wrote:It doesn't even have to be holding. The receiver knows he route and it is his responsibility to avoid the defender. Any sort of downfield material effect on a defender on a pass first touched beyond the neutral zone at the point of attack is an OPI foul.
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Sonofanump
Oct 20, 2014 3:41pm
I understand you are a fan. I have no bias toward either team. #7 white seeking out and blocking #3 maroon in the end zone is an offensive foul. #20 whites actions are very suspect. He lunges into #8 maroon with is shoulder and turns to where he knows the pass is thrown, he was not going for a pass, he was blocking from the snap and did not make any effort to run a route. I can not explain it to you any differently or help you get over your team's loss.sherm03;1665178 wrote:So the DB slides in front of a WR...or jams a receiver at the LOS and doesn't disengage...and that's an offensive foul?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 20, 2014 4:33pm
And it's so obvious. I was rooting for ND, but damn, it was such a clear foul.Sonofanump;1665182 wrote:I understand you are a fan. I have no bias toward either team. #7 white seeking out and blocking #3 maroon in the end zone is an offensive foul. #20 whites actions are very suspect. He lunges into #8 maroon with is shoulder and turns to where he knows the pass is thrown, he was not going for a pass, he was blocking from the snap and did not make any effort to run a route. I can not explain it to you any differently or help you get over your team's loss.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Oct 20, 2014 8:19pm
If the Fuck State University Thuggers hadn't blown the coverage so gawd awful bad and had not Robinson been so wide open the official swallows his flag. It's a God Damn shame these raping, theiving, lying bastards are gonna be in the playoffs because they have not earned it.