ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 13, 2014 3:11pm
He hurt his ankle. If cincy was afraid he couldn't play they'd cut the ties, not try to keep him. He'll be fine.shook_17;1589901 wrote:How is Hawkins missing 10 games irrelevant? He can't stay healthy he's 5'7 and weighs 180.
Or are you suggesting Edelman is immune for hurting his ankle? Or you're just using your crystal ball again?
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 13, 2014 3:25pm
Does Edlemen have a history of missing games? Or nahhhhhhhZWICK 4 PREZ;1589909 wrote:He hurt his ankle. If cincy was afraid he couldn't play they'd cut the ties, not try to keep him. He'll be fine.
Or are you suggesting Edelman is immune for hurting his ankle? Or you're just using your crystal ball again?
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 13, 2014 3:27pm
shook_17;1589894 wrote:Right he has showed that in his three year career in cincy. With a whooping 900 yards and four touchdowns. Very impressive please be our slot guy. Love a guy that averages just over one touchdown a year. And is very durable.
/ sarcasm
shook_17;1589901 wrote:How is Hawkins missing 10 games irrelevant? He can't stay healthy he's 5'7 and weighs 180.
shook_17;1589906 wrote:I'm posting facts you're posting nonsense. Next
shook_17;1589918 wrote:Does Edlemen have a history of missing games? Or nahhhhhhh
I honestly would be happy with both. I just thought that I would add in some more facts...
Prior to 2013, Julian Edelman had missed 16 games in his 4 year career (never playing a full 16 games). Over those 4 years, he amassed 69 receptions, 714 yards, and 4 TDs.
Just saying, Edelman and Hawkins aren't as different as you are making them out to be. You're welcome
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 13, 2014 3:27pm
So that means he never will. He's got joints of steel. You're an idiot. Hawkins is fine and is a better option.shook_17;1589918 wrote:Does Edlemen have a history of missing games? Or nahhhhhhh
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Mar 13, 2014 3:34pm
The nature of the slot position is running short routes and going across the middle of the field where you are going to take shots from linebackers and downhill safeties. This position in general is not durable.
Wow, I kind of brought that conversation to a halt! lol
Wow, I kind of brought that conversation to a halt! lol
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 13, 2014 4:15pm
ZWICK 4 PREZ;1589922 wrote:So that means he never will. He's got joints of steel. You're an idiot. Hawkins is fine and is a better option.
Hawkins is not a better option. Just stop. Agree to disagree
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 13, 2014 4:16pm
I didn't know how many games Edelman missed b.c I didn't care. He's playing and it wasnt anything serious. Same reason I don't care how many games Hawkins missed. He's fine and it wasn't anytthing serious. No one knows what the future holds for either of the two. I'll take the one whos got more skill.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1589926 wrote:The nature of the slot position is running short routes and going across the middle of the field where you are going to take shots from linebackers and downhill safeties. This position in general is not durable.
Wow, I kind of brought that conversation to a halt! lol
ZWICK 4 PREZ
Posts: 7,733
Mar 13, 2014 4:18pm
Agreed. And fwiw I'd be fine with Edelman.. he's tough too.. I prefer Hawkins though.shook_17;1589973 wrote:Hawkins is not a better option. Just stop. Agree to disagree
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 13, 2014 4:29pm
Yes, he does.shook_17;1589918 wrote:Does Edlemen have a history of missing games? Or nahhhhhhh
Nice fail. It's fine to prefer Edelman, but don't throw stones when your argument is made of glass.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 13, 2014 4:37pm
Actually he's only missed 12Dr. KnOiTaLL;1589921 wrote:
I honestly would be happy with both. I just thought that I would add in some more facts...
Prior to 2013, Julian Edelman had missed 16 games in his 4 year career (never playing a full 16 games). Over those 4 years, he amassed 69 receptions, 714 yards, and 4 TDs.
Just saying, Edelman and Hawkins aren't as different as you are making them out to be. You're welcome
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 13, 2014 4:42pm
Bro, if you're gonna throw stats out, should probably do some research.shook_17;1589894 wrote:Right he has showed that in his three year career in cincy. With a whooping 900 yards and four touchdowns. Very impressive please be our slot guy. Love a guy that averages just over one touchdown a year. And is very durable.
/ sarcasm
Edelman stats for first 4 years in NFL
48 Games played out of a Possible 64
69 Catches
714 Yards
4 TDs
Thats in 4 years. In his 5th year he finally had a breakout season.
So using Hawkins stats through 3 season really doesn't help prove your point that Edelman is so much better than Hawkins.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 13, 2014 4:45pm
Regardless he just destroyed your stats/injury argument against Hawkins.shook_17;1590012 wrote:Actually he's only missed 12
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 13, 2014 4:52pm
HighRoller74;1590020 wrote:Regardless he just destroyed your stats/injury argument against Hawkins.
Honestly i I didn't think it was that high. I'll do more research to see if he was hurt or just not activated. I know he didn't play much at the start of his career. I don't know if it was hurt or just wasn't ready/good enough
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Mar 13, 2014 5:02pm
HighRoller74;1590020 wrote:Regardless he just destroyed your stats/injury argument against Hawkins.
Well not really stats. Edelmans production is way higher than Hawkins. Just the injury. Oups
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 13, 2014 5:07pm
Only if you factor in his one hit wonder season.shook_17;1590031 wrote:Well not really stats. Edelmans production is way higher than Hawkins. Just the injury. Oups
Did you not see the breakdown of Edelmans 4 year numbers, compared to Hawkins 3 year numbers?
Edelamn-4 years
69-714-4
Hawkins 3 years
86-995-4
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Mar 13, 2014 5:13pm
And hell throwing in Edelmans one big year the numbers look like this
Edelman 5 Years
174 Catches, 1770, 10 TDs
Hawkins 3 years
86-995-4
If you take his averages so far, his numbers would look like this after 5 years
143-1658-6.67
And that is only if he performs right on average.
Edelman 5 Years
174 Catches, 1770, 10 TDs
Hawkins 3 years
86-995-4
If you take his averages so far, his numbers would look like this after 5 years
143-1658-6.67
And that is only if he performs right on average.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2014 5:34pm
Can we just stop? This thread has gone full retard.
Let's get one of these guys first then we'll have the who is better discussion.
Let's get one of these guys first then we'll have the who is better discussion.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 13, 2014 6:38pm
From PFF on ESPN.com talking about FA signings that made no sense
D'Qwell Jackson, LB, Indianapolis ColtsFour years, $22 million, $11 million guaranteed
This move is all about what you could have had. There isn't much doubt that Jackson is an upgrade for the Colts -- that's how bad their inside linebacker situation has been -- but when you consider what the Browns were able to replace him with, you get a sense of where the Colts should have put their money instead. Karlos Dansby may be a couple of years older than Jackson, but he is playing at a completely different level and signed for just a bit more money.
While Jackson struggled last season on his way to a PFF grade of minus-11.6, Dansby was right up among the best inside linebackers in the league at plus-13.3 thanks in part to his big plays like eight sacks and four interceptions. Dansby made 44 more defensive stops than Jackson, and opposing quarterbacks completed a lower percentage of passes into his coverage (65 percent versus 73.3 percent for Jackson) for a lower passer rating (75 to 91.3). The Colts were correct to upgrade at linebacker; they just chose the wrong guy to do it.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Mar 13, 2014 6:41pm
Hawkins is faster and more explosive than Edelman. With that said, the last thing I'd question with Julian is his durability. It's a concern with Hawkins. With Edelman though, we'll see if he does anything outside of New England. Hawkins is a decent weapon and did so in an offense that was devoid of how to properly use a slot WR or a dual TE set.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Mar 13, 2014 7:12pm
Can you lost the link for that. I need to use that for some dumbasslhslep134;1590077 wrote:From PFF on ESPN.com talking about FA signings that made no sense
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 13, 2014 7:27pm
It's Insider...Midstate01;1590082 wrote:Can you lost the link for that. I need to use that for some dumbass
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10597325/2014-nfl-free-agency-aqib-talib-contract-early-deals-make-no-sense
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Mar 13, 2014 7:28pm
Not sure how Hawkins has shown he is a weapon.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Mar 13, 2014 7:31pm
Damnit!lhslep134;1590089 wrote:It's Insider...
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10597325/2014-nfl-free-agency-aqib-talib-contract-early-deals-make-no-sense
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 13, 2014 8:02pm
Thanks for the memories Weeden....
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SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 13, 2014 8:07pm
Weeden split this forum to the point we all hated each other