Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Apr 24, 2014 2:37pm
The way I read his post is that the Browns would be dumb to pick any of the QBs of note with the #4 and that if they were to get JFF, it would be from trading their second first-rounder in other to move up a bit with that pick.ohiobucks1;1608709 wrote:Why are you so sure (DeyDurkie) that JFF will be gone at 4?
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Apr 24, 2014 2:38pm
Heretic;1608763 wrote:The way I read his post is that the Browns would be dumb to pick any of the QBs of note with the #4 and that if they were to get JFF, it would be from trading their second first-rounder in other to move up a bit with that pick.
Oh that makes way more sense. I understand, now.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 24, 2014 2:47pm
We went 2-0 as a starter with him last year (I won't count the Buffalo game).IggyPride00;1608735 wrote:
I've been watching this kid play QB since he was 14 and the next team that wins anything with him at the helm with be the first.
Guess we're the first then.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 24, 2014 3:05pm
I don't think he will be gone. I just don't think they want a QB at 4. I personally think they will go in another direction.ohiobucks1;1608709 wrote:Why are you so sure (DeyDurkie) that JFF will be gone at 4?
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Apr 24, 2014 3:30pm
Got it. I'm really unsure of what they are thinking. Every year I go in thinking we're definitely going to take player X and we take player y. This year I'm thinking we take a QB, and we'll probably end up with Watkins lol.DeyDurkie5;1608779 wrote:I don't think he will be gone. I just don't think they want a QB at 4. I personally think they will go in another direction.
All I know is that I'm going to be happy no matter what (because I like the direction the team is going in) unless we take Derek Carr at #4. If we take Derek Carr at 4, I am done. I literally will take a year off of my Browns fandom and just root for my fantasy team. Other than Carr at 4, I'm pretty much happy with anything.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 24, 2014 4:19pm
SportsAndLady;1608712 wrote:It already is one of the best in the league. There's areas of much greater need.
No it isn't. I wouldn't go RT at 4 personally, but I don't think it would be a horrible pick.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 24, 2014 4:20pm
Yes it is.Mulva;1608808 wrote:No it isn't. I wouldn't go RT at 4 personally, but I don't think it would be a horrible pick.
(Do you realize how annoying you sound when you just say shit like "you're wrong I'm right"?)
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 24, 2014 4:25pm
How was my response to your post any different than your response to shooksSportsAndLady;1608809 wrote:Yes it is.
(Do you realize how annoying you sound when you just say shit like "you're wrong I'm right"?)
Hint: it wasn't.
PFF graded it as the #12 line, and 18th in run blocking. When you have two pro bowlers and grade out that low, it means the other 3 guys pretty much suck.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Apr 24, 2014 4:45pm
SportsAndLady;1608809 wrote:Yes it is.
(Do you realize how annoying you sound when you just say shit like "you're wrong I'm right"?)
That's essentially what every post you make about QBs sounds like.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 24, 2014 4:56pm
I really wish the Draft was tonight like its supposed to be, love the mocks and all that but each one of them is so drastically different.
Though I gotta say I do like that it seems the Browns are backing away from the QB's (Smokescreen?) as I've said from the beginning I personally wasn't high on any of them, just hope that we land one of the 4 consensus "blue Chippers" in this draft, or trade back to acquire more talent.
I'd be more than Happy with Clowney, Robinson, Watkins, Mack.
Though we don't necessarily need any of the 4, if you can select one of the guys, everyone but IQQY/FW believe to be as can't miss as you can be, you have to do it.
I also wouldn't be opposed to moving down to the bottom half of the Top ten, picking up another 2nd/3rd this year and another 1 next year.
Though I gotta say I do like that it seems the Browns are backing away from the QB's (Smokescreen?) as I've said from the beginning I personally wasn't high on any of them, just hope that we land one of the 4 consensus "blue Chippers" in this draft, or trade back to acquire more talent.
I'd be more than Happy with Clowney, Robinson, Watkins, Mack.
Though we don't necessarily need any of the 4, if you can select one of the guys, everyone but IQQY/FW believe to be as can't miss as you can be, you have to do it.
I also wouldn't be opposed to moving down to the bottom half of the Top ten, picking up another 2nd/3rd this year and another 1 next year.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 24, 2014 5:06pm
taking a RT at 4 has nothing to do with wage scale and everything to do with draft slot value/position value.shook_17;1608710 wrote:Actually with the new rookie wage scale, a team can draft a RT in the top ten and not have to worry. A offense tackle at 4 I would not mind. Would make our oline one of the best in the league.
Taking Robinson at 4 would be the worst thing we could do unless one of these unlikely scenarios is happening:
1) We're trading Joe Thomas
2) We're trading Greg Robinson and couldn't get a trade done before the timer
3) We can see the future and Joe Thomas tears his ACL.
I love Robinson the player/prospect and think he can be a perennial Pro Bowl LT but it's about the value added and there's way more value we can add to our team by going elsewhere at 4.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 24, 2014 5:11pm
Oh stop. I was crazy about weeden from the start because you could just tell he was gonna suck yet people were drinking the kool aid.GOONx19;1608823 wrote:That's essentially what every post you make about QBs sounds like.
I have no idea how the QBs in this draft are going to do, I just want the browns to get one and hope they do well.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 24, 2014 5:12pm
Do you disagree that there are areas of greater need? Would you rather upgrade the QB position or the RT position?Mulva;1608815 wrote:How was my response to your post any different than your response to shooks
Hint: it wasn't.
PFF graded it as the #12 line, and 18th in run blocking. When you have two pro bowlers and grade out that low, it means the other 3 guys pretty much suck.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 24, 2014 5:20pm
Yeah but we were 5th in pass blocking and that run blocking stat is misleading when you break it down:Mulva;1608815 wrote:
PFF graded it as the #12 line, and 18th in run blocking. When you have two pro bowlers and grade out that low, it means the other 3 guys pretty much suck.
We were rated -40.6 in run blocking as a team, comprised of the following studs:
Oniel Cousins -3.1
Shawn Lauvao -12.9
Gary Barnidge (TE) -13.7
In reality it was much closer to or better than league average and should only improve going forward
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 24, 2014 5:25pm
Yeah, any run blocking is going to look bad when you are blocking Trent "can't hit a hole unless I'm in a strip club" Richardson and ol man McGahee.lhslep134;1608834 wrote:Yeah but we were 5th in pass blocking and that run blocking stat is misleading when you break it down:
We were rated -40.6 in run blocking as a team, comprised of the following studs:
Oniel Cousins -3.1
Shawn Lauvao -12.9
Gary Barnidge (TE) -13.7
In reality it was much closer to or better than league average and should only improve going forward
I am able to just watch our line and realize that it is one of our strengths and not a position that we need to be spending our top pick on.
T
thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 24, 2014 5:33pm
A great RT, unless you have a lefty QB, is more of a last piece to finish your offensive puzzle. Sort of like getting great bench depth in baseball. You really work on that once the other pieces are in place.
S&L is right, the OL seemed to be solid enough that other spots need addressed before you worry about the RT
S&L is right, the OL seemed to be solid enough that other spots need addressed before you worry about the RT
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 24, 2014 5:33pm
I guess I am in the minority, but I wouldn't QQ if we drafted Robinson. In 2-3 years he can take the LT spot, and JT could move over to RT. I don't see the problem with drafting a can't miss tackle, QB with #26. For those who want Watkins, the draft is deep enough at the WR position, not sure why we have to get one at 4.
Also, go back to the 2012 draft. What would you rather do? Trade up for t-rich, or draft Kalil?
Also, go back to the 2012 draft. What would you rather do? Trade up for t-rich, or draft Kalil?
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 24, 2014 5:37pm
I'm there with you in regards to Robinson. Agree the draft is deep in the WR crop, but I would want Watkins ahead of anyone else if Mack, Robinson, Clowney off the board.like_that;1608837 wrote:I guess I am in the minority, but I wouldn't QQ if we drafted Robinson. In 2-3 years he can take the LT spot, and JT could move over to RT. I don't see the problem with drafting a can't miss tackle, QB with #26. For those who want Watkins, the draft is deep enough at the WR position, not sure why we have to get one at 4.
Also, go back to the 2012 draft. What would you rather do? Trade up for t-rich, or draft Kalil?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 24, 2014 5:39pm
Yeah, I guess I wouldn't hate Robinson. Any time you can add a good player, you should be happy.like_that;1608837 wrote:I guess I am in the minority, but I wouldn't QQ if we drafted Robinson. In 2-3 years he can take the LT spot, and JT could move over to RT. I don't see the problem with drafting a can't miss tackle, QB with #26. For those who want Watkins, the draft is deep enough at the WR position, not sure why we have to get one at 4.
Also, go back to the 2012 draft. What would you rather do? Trade up for t-rich, or draft Kalil?
Just think we should improve an area of weakness with a top player rather than an area of strength.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 24, 2014 5:41pm
Which is an even better point than the one I'm making, which is the blanket general statement that a RT should never be taken at 4.SportsAndLady;1608835 wrote: I am able to just watch our line and realize that it is one of our strengths and not a position that we need to be spending our top pick on.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 24, 2014 5:42pm
I think a QB not named carr will drop to us. I just have a gut feeling. I am all about trade downs though, so if Watkins fell to us I wouldn't QQ if the browns traded a few spots (emphasize a few) down.SportsAndLady;1608839 wrote:Yeah, I guess I wouldn't hate Robinson. Any time you can add a good player, you should be happy.
Just think we should improve an area of weakness with a top player rather than an area of strength.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 24, 2014 5:45pm
I think a team like Detroit, maybe Tampa would trade up for Watkins. And dropping back that far "should" net us a 1st next year, plus additional 2nd/3rd this year.like_that;1608842 wrote:I think a QB not named carr will drop to us. I just have a gut feeling. I am all about trade downs though, so if Watkins fell to us I wouldn't QQ if the browns traded a few spots (emphasize a few) down.
I'm higher on Carr than you are, but I wouldn't take him at 26 either.
Also agree that either TBW or JFF will be available at the 26ht.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 24, 2014 6:29pm
On Sports Illustrated right now there is a video interview up with Don Banks of teams feeling the most pressure this draft.
First team he mentioned was the Cleveland Browns, and the dire need to end this year to year QB drama once and for all and walk away with the right guy in the first round.
To the rest of the free world it seems so obvious, hopefully those in Berea are taking notice if they already haven't.
First team he mentioned was the Cleveland Browns, and the dire need to end this year to year QB drama once and for all and walk away with the right guy in the first round.
To the rest of the free world it seems so obvious, hopefully those in Berea are taking notice if they already haven't.
T
thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Apr 24, 2014 6:33pm
They are.IggyPride00;1608850 wrote:On Sports Illustrated right now there is a video interview up with Don Banks of teams feeling the most pressure this draft.
First team he mentioned was the Cleveland Browns, and the dire need to end this year to year QB drama once and for all and walk away with the right guy in the first round.
To the rest of the free world it seems so obvious, hopefully those in Berea are taking notice if they already haven't.
I believe they have just 2 QB's on their roster? Teams go into camp usually with 4 QB's...they need the arms. They will get one in the first round, then maybe pick up an undrafted FA or regular FA after the draft.
They will draft one in the 1st round.
Guarenteed.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 24, 2014 7:49pm
You guys see that Bernie will no longer be calling preseason games this year.
Citing his slurred speech coming from numerous concussions.
Citing his slurred speech coming from numerous concussions.