SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 11, 2014 9:26am
But to iggy it makes him the complete package and the city of Cleveland should riot if we pass on him. Lol.like_that;1603910 wrote:I don't think many NFL teams put that MUCH stock into the wonderlic. It's pretty much a measure of "he is a fucking dumbass or not?"
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 9:32am
Signed Troy Smith.IggyPride00;1603872 wrote:Fitzpatrick won a Heisman in college?
Johhny Football has already showed he can play on the field. Now we are finding out he has the brain power to go with those physical tools that allowed him to be a stud in college.
I appreciate the effort to troll me, but at least come with a more legit comparison.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 9:33am
Signed Tim Tebow.IggyPride00;1603872 wrote:Fitzpatrick won a Heisman in college?
Johhny Football has already showed he can play on the field. Now we are finding out he has the brain power to go with those physical tools that allowed him to be a stud in college.
I appreciate the effort to troll me, but at least come with a more legit comparison.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 9:33am
Signed Matt Leinart.IggyPride00;1603872 wrote:Fitzpatrick won a Heisman in college?
Johhny Football has already showed he can play on the field. Now we are finding out he has the brain power to go with those physical tools that allowed him to be a stud in college.
I appreciate the effort to troll me, but at least come with a more legit comparison.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 9:34am
Signed RG3.IggyPride00;1603872 wrote:Fitzpatrick won a Heisman in college?
Johhny Football has already showed he can play on the field. Now we are finding out he has the brain power to go with those physical tools that allowed him to be a stud in college.
I appreciate the effort to troll me, but at least come with a more legit comparison.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 11, 2014 9:40am
Vince Young got a 7 on the wonderlic. Really scarred off NFL teams huh?like_that;1603910 wrote:I don't think many NFL teams put that MUCH stock into the wonderlic. It's pretty much a measure of "he is a fucking dumbass or not?"
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 11, 2014 10:34am
Fitzpatrick also didn't rip the SEC to f*cking shreds. I'm not saying we need to take JFF, but bringing up Ryan Fitzpatrick screams irrelevance. Then again, so does the WonderlicHighRoller74;1603870 wrote:Ryan Fitzpatrick got a perfect score on the wonderlic, he's lighting up the league isn't he.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 11, 2014 10:37am
According to who? you?Sonofanump;1603902 wrote: but in no way is his arm accurate enough
I have yet to see a legitimate article that seriously calls into question his accuracy (if you find some, please post. I figure they exist, I just haven't come across them yet). Relatedly, Merrill Hoge doesn't count as legitimate lol
I know Manziel's stats aren't exactly the best when it comes to accuracy but that's also due to his playing style, not the potential NFL accuracy of his arm. He can make the throws and make them accurately. But if he continues the same playing style as college, he won't succeed (running and improvising instead of feeling/reacting to the pocket pressure and going through reads 2-4).
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 10:41am
Signed Tim Tebow. Signed Jamarcus Russell.lhslep134;1603940 wrote:Fitzpatrick also didn't rip the SEC to f*cking shreds. I'm not saying we need to take JFF, but bringing up Ryan Fitzpatrick screams irrelevance. Then again, so does the Wonderlic
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 11, 2014 10:43am
Tebow, fair. JMR wasn't a shred ripper for more than a 6 game stretchsleeper;1603950 wrote:Signed Tim Tebow. Signed Jamarcus Russell.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 11, 2014 10:53am
not sure how to interpret this
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-competency-tax-why-the-alex-mack-deal-makes-sense-for-jacksonville/
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-competency-tax-why-the-alex-mack-deal-makes-sense-for-jacksonville/
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 11, 2014 11:05am
Has Mack officially signed yet? Wondering when the clock starts on the Browns.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 11, 2014 11:59am
Enough to get him drafted #1 overall using the same logic. Manziel will be out of the league in 3 years just like RG3. Trash play style.lhslep134;1603952 wrote:Tebow, fair. JMR wasn't a shred ripper for more than a 6 game stretch
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 11, 2014 12:46pm
Thought I read that Browns have until Wednesday at 4pm to match.like_that;1603966 wrote:Has Mack officially signed yet? Wondering when the clock starts on the Browns.
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Sonofanump
Apr 11, 2014 1:01pm
That's fine if you think that he is "total package" Elway/Luck/Manning with accuracy. I don't think he is the total package. I think he is worthy of being picked in the first round, late first round, but not "total package" top 5.lhslep134;1603944 wrote:According to who? you?
I have yet to see a legitimate article that seriously calls into question his accuracy (if you find some, please post. I figure they exist, I just haven't come across them yet). Relatedly, Merrill Hoge doesn't count as legitimate lol
I know Manziel's stats aren't exactly the best when it comes to accuracy but that's also due to his playing style, not the potential NFL accuracy of his arm. He can make the throws and make them accurately. But if he continues the same playing style as college, he won't succeed (running and improvising instead of feeling/reacting to the pocket pressure and going through reads 2-4).
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 11, 2014 3:22pm
I don't think he's the total package and I don't think anyone is saying anything about Elway/Luck/Manning comparisons. I'm saying that there's a difference between you saying "no way is his arm accurate enough" and a professional analyst saying the same thing. I wouldn't even say anything except I feel like your comment is coming from left field.Sonofanump;1604032 wrote:That's fine if you think that he is "total package" Elway/Luck/Manning with accuracy. I don't think he is the total package. I think he is worthy of being picked in the first round, late first round, but not "total package" top 5.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 11, 2014 3:50pm
Browns match.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 11, 2014 3:55pm
Which was my point.lhslep134;1603940 wrote:Fitzpatrick also didn't rip the SEC to f*cking shreds. I'm not saying we need to take JFF, but bringing up Ryan Fitzpatrick screams irrelevance. Then again, so does the Wonderlic
Wonderlic is irrelevant.
Wouldn't expect an Arizona Law Student to understand though. /MB'd
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 11, 2014 3:57pm
Very nice.Laley23;1604115 wrote:Browns match.
Now get Bortles.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 11, 2014 4:01pm
I would like to remind everyone that IQQY said Mack was all but gone.
That is all.
That is all.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 11, 2014 4:02pm
He will be back to bitch about the matching in....3....2....like_that;1604122 wrote:I would like to remind everyone that IQQY said Mack was all but gone.
That is all.
Lovejoy1984
Posts: 5,277
Apr 11, 2014 4:04pm
After listening to the guy that runs Sports Science on the Herd yesterday, I'm warming to Bortles. That guy pretty much has nailed who will/won't be good in the past 7/8 years, including Vince Young not being any good, and Kaepernick being a star.SportsAndLady;1604119 wrote:Very nice.
Now get Bortles.
Out of the guys he had worked out, or had in the lab. (Bortles, Carr, McCarron, Bridegewater) Bortles was his top guy this year. He didn't have Johnny Football, so no real way to judge him compared Bortles.
He stated the Bortles is very good at everything, but not great at any one thing, which is IMO what you want your QB to be. You want them to be able to make all the throws, but not be a Jay Cutler and think you can make every throw, every time regardless of coverage.
derek bomar
Posts: 3,722
Apr 11, 2014 4:06pm
we're matching the Jags deal. Cool beans.
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Sonofanump
Apr 11, 2014 4:12pm
Read Iggy post about him being the total package. Read my post about him being worthy of a first round pick. He is good, he is accurate, but not accurate enough (nor correct body type) to be considered elite like Iggy is claiming.lhslep134;1604101 wrote:I don't think he's the total package and I don't think anyone is saying anything about Elway/Luck/Manning comparisons. I'm saying that there's a difference between you saying "no way is his arm accurate enough" and a professional analyst saying the same thing. I wouldn't even say anything except I feel like your comment is coming from left field.
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Sonofanump
Apr 11, 2014 4:13pm
So Mack gets $26 for 2 years then walks if he wants? No trade, no franchise, no transition.