SportsAndLady;1455580 wrote:But are the saber metrics there to support your argument!?!?!?!!?

like_that;1455579 wrote:Have them play in the AL where there isn't a free out every 9th batter and see if they have better numbers. LOL, keep on being butt hurt though.

se-alum;1455576 wrote:Nope, just Bailey. Cueto, Latos, Leake, and Arroyo all have better numbers than any of the Indians starters.

Terry_Tate;1455588 wrote:You'd seriously take Leake and Arroyo over Bailey? That honestly shocks me.

se-alum;1455586 wrote:
Here we go, now that the numbers don't back up the argument, we're gonna talk about the difference in leagues.

Terry_Tate;1455588 wrote:You'd seriously take Leake and Arroyo over Bailey? That honestly shocks me.

Commander of Awesome;1455585 wrote:You're a fucking dick dude. Nowhere in ihselp's response was he even slightly pwning you.

like_that;1455590 wrote:Uhhh yeah, when you are going to compare stats of pitchers, one would think numbers should be skewed a bit in the NL's favor since they have a free out every 9th batter. Don't let logic get in the way of your hurt butt though.

Rotinaj;1455595 wrote:Do you think the Indians have a better pitching staff???

Terry_Tate;1455495 wrote:All of this just reminds me of the Jason Kipnis > Brandon Phillips talk, haha.

se-alum;1455591 wrote:You gotta go strictly by the numbers, and only this years numbers.

Ironman92;1455609 wrote:This catcher talk is all moot if Dusty is your manager.

I wouldn't have trouble with any of the catchers. Hanigan was one of our MVP's last year IMO....but not doing it this year. I love Santana's bat and on DH day he's the guy....but Gomes gets his fair share of starts. Teams don't really run much so Hanigan's ability doesn't get used much....and Hanigan's might be the best receiving catcher in the league.

Gomes and Santana get my starts....but Hanigan goes in if Gomes struggles with the bat.

Laley23;1455611 wrote:whoa whoa whoa. I skimmed through this REALLY fast, so I apologize in advance if I am mixing up posters/arguments.

But why are we going on this years numbers for pitchers, but we are going with Hannigans track record and the lack of one for Gomes as well as Santanas relatively disappointing career numbers?

se-alum;1455613 wrote:My argument on the catchers was that Hanigan is a heck of a catcher and his career numbers prove it, but lhs wanted to look at this year only, so I conceded the catcher argument, and looked at this years numbers only for the pitchers.

Azubuike24;1455620 wrote:Fun times. Almost 5 pages of discussion about a video game team. I guess that's what happens when both teams can't win their own damn games.

Lost on the WHOLE THING is the fact that the OP had Xavier Paul starting. Xavier Paul. I'd rank him about 8th overall in the OF if you combined the teams, and he was the starting LF.

I can't get past that to argue any other points...

Azubuike24;1455620 wrote:Fun times. Almost 5 pages of discussion about a video game team. I guess that's what happens when both teams can't win their own damn games.

Lost on the WHOLE THING is the fact that the OP had Xavier Paul starting. Xavier Paul. I'd rank him about 8th overall in the OF if you combined the teams, and he was the starting LF.

I can't get past that to argue any other points...

Laley23;1455625 wrote:FTR:

1. Bourn CF
2. Choo RF
3. Votto 1B
4. Phillips 2B
5. Santana C
6. Swisher DH
7. Cabrera SS
8. Reynolds 3B
9. Brantley LF

BENCH: Bruce, Aviles, Hannigan, Frazier

SP Cueto
SP Masterson
SP Bailey
SP Jiminez
SP Latos

RP Kazmir
RP Pestano
RP Broxton
RP Smith
RP Marshall
RP Allen
CL Chapman

Struggled with Brantley/Bruce and Allen (in the pen) vs. another bench player. Since I went the extra BP guy, I went with Aviles who can play OF and 3 IF positions on the bench. Brantley is starting over Bruce because I have him in the 9 hole. If I was forced to shake the line-up around so he was middle of the line-up, Bruce might get the start.