Would a combined Reds and Indians team win the world series?

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Jun 10, 2013 12:06 AM
C-C Santana
1st- Joey Votto
2b- Brandon phillips
SS-Asdrubal Cabrera
3B-Todd Frazier
OF-Xaivier Paul
OF-Shin Shin Choo
OF-Jay Bruce
DH-Nick Swisher

bench: Michael Bourne, Jason Kipnes, Mark Reynolds, Michael Brantley, Zach Cozart


Pitchers:

SP Johnny Cueto
SP Mat Latos
SP Justin Masterson
SP Zach McCallister
SP Mike Leake

RP Bronson Arroyo
RP Chris Perez
RP Joe Smith
RP Sam Lecure
CL Aroldis Chapmen





I am not much a base ball fan these days but I do follow enough to know that this team may indeed take each league and win the world championship. Who agrees with me?
Jun 10, 2013 12:06am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:12 AM
Waiting to see your manager choice.

With Dusty.....no way in hell
Jun 10, 2013 12:12am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:14 AM
All we would need from the Indians is Francona. We'd be WS favorites (maybe slightly behind the Cards) with Francona over Dusty Fuckface Baker.
Jun 10, 2013 12:14am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:14 AM
You forgot Drew Stubbs.

And with Dusty Baker managing they wouldn't make the AL/NLCS.

Also, Paul would be on the bench with Bourne starting. I'll let Azu and ironman handle the rest of the roster.
Jun 10, 2013 12:14am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:19 AM
I have Bourn in CF and Reynolds at 3rd....can he still play 3rd?
Jun 10, 2013 12:19am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:23 AM
First of all, that wouldn't be the lineup you would use. It would be more like:

CF Bourn
LF Choo
1B Votto
2B Phillips
DH Swisher
RF Bruce
SS Cabrera
3B Reynolds
C Hanigan

Bench: C. Santana, Kipnis, Brantley, Frazier
Jun 10, 2013 12:23am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:29 AM
Did you really put Xavier Paul as a starter and Mike Leake and Zach McAllister in the rotation? Sam LeCure in the pen? Zach Cozart on the team?

I'd roll this out there...assuming everyone is healthy.

CF Michael Bourn
LF Shin-Soo Choo
1B Joey Votto
DH Nick Swisher
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
SS Asdrubal Cabrera
C Carlos Santana
3B Jason Kipnes

Mark Reynolds, Ryan Hanigan, Michael Brantley, Todd Frazier, Ryan Ludwick

SP Mat Latos
SP Johnny Cueto
SP Justin Masterson
SP Homer Bailey
SP Ubaldo Jimenez

RP Aroldis Chapman
RP Joe Smith
RP Sean Marshall
RP Jonathan Broxton
RP Scott Kazmir (need another lefty, who could also spot start)
RP Vinnie Pestano
Jun 10, 2013 12:29am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:32 AM
Yes, more importantly. Francona managing. The only move I'd maybe make is Hanigan catching over Santana. Hanigan is just that good defensively and handling a staff. I wouldn't trust Santana and you wouldn't need to really rely on his bat with that stacked lineup.
Jun 10, 2013 12:32am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:33 AM
Azubuike24;1455115 wrote:Did you really put Xavier Paul as a starter and Mike Leake and Zach McAllister in the rotation? Sam LeCure in the pen? Zach Cozart on the team?

I'd roll this out there...assuming everyone is healthy.

CF Michael Bourn
LF Shin-Soo Choo
1B Joey Votto
DH Nick Swisher
RF Jay Bruce
2B Brandon Phillips
SS Asdrubal Cabrera
C Carlos Santana
3B Jason Kipnes

Mark Reynolds, Ryan Hanigan, Michael Brantley, Todd Frazier, Ryan Ludwick

SP Mat Latos
SP Johnny Cueto
SP Justin Masterson
SP Homer Bailey
SP Ubaldo Jimenez

RP Aroldis Chapman
RP Joe Smith
RP Sean Marshall
RP Jonathan Broxton
RP Scott Kazmir (need another lefty, who could also spot start)
RP Vinnie Pestano
I think if you're going to play Kipnis at 3B, you have to put Cozart on over Frazier or Reynolds. If Cabrera gets hurt, you gotta have someone to play SS.
Jun 10, 2013 12:33am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:34 AM
Yeah, Cozart over Frazier would make more sense since you would always want a backup SS.
Jun 10, 2013 12:34am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:35 AM
Sorry, I'm still laughing that he listed Xavier Paul as a starter.....
Jun 10, 2013 12:35am
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Jun 10, 2013 12:38 AM
^^^^^^^

This is what I was waiting for.
Jun 10, 2013 12:38am
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Jun 10, 2013 9:42 AM
Azubuike24;1455116 wrote:Yes, more importantly. Francona managing. The only move I'd maybe make is Hanigan catching over Santana. Hanigan is just that good defensively and handling a staff. I wouldn't trust Santana and you wouldn't need to really rely on his bat with that stacked lineup.

Santana isn't that bad defensively. He struggles at time but his OBP is ridiculous. He is pretty much a must in the lineup
Jun 10, 2013 9:42am
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Jun 10, 2013 9:43 AM
Only players worth taking from the Tribe would be Brantley, Santana, Masterson and Bourn.
Jun 10, 2013 9:43am
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Jun 10, 2013 1:04 PM
Azubuike24;1455116 wrote: you wouldn't need to really rely on his bat with that stacked lineup.
Terrible logic--because we don't need to rely on someone means we should play an inferior player. If you're going to play a catcher for defensive purposes, play Gomes. Hanigan is terrible offensively and not enough of an upgrade over Gomes defensively to warrant him playing.
Jun 10, 2013 1:04pm
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Jun 10, 2013 1:04 PM
wes_mantooth;1455194 wrote:Only players worth taking from the Tribe would be Brantley, Santana, Masterson and Bourn.
And Pestano
Jun 10, 2013 1:04pm
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Jun 10, 2013 1:09 PM
wes_mantooth;1455194 wrote:Only players worth taking from the Tribe would be Brantley, Santana, Masterson and Bourn.
Also a few minor league prospects we have.
Jun 10, 2013 1:09pm
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Jun 10, 2013 1:11 PM
lhslep134;1455302 wrote:Terrible logic--because we don't need to rely on someone means we should play an inferior player. If you're going to play a catcher for defensive purposes, play Gomes. Hanigan is terrible offensively and not enough of an upgrade over Gomes defensively to warrant him playing.
Hanigan is probably the 2nd best defensive catcher in the league behind Yadier, in fact, he threw out a higher percentage of runners than Molina did last year. Also, if you take out this year, he's a career .275 hitter w/ a .370 OBP.
Jun 10, 2013 1:11pm
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Jun 10, 2013 1:28 PM
If you make the playoffs in baseball, you have a chance to win the WS with how much of a crapshoot the playoffs are. The reds could win the WS this year alone, so yes if they took a few other players from the tribe (including the manager) I could see them winning a WS.
Jun 10, 2013 1:28pm
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Jun 10, 2013 1:48 PM
To answer the question in the thread title, no.
Jun 10, 2013 1:48pm
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Jun 10, 2013 2:03 PM
se-alum;1455307 wrote:Hanigan is probably the 2nd best defensive catcher in the league behind Yadier, in fact, he threw out a higher percentage of runners than Molina did last year. Also, if you take out this year, he's a career .275 hitter w/ a .370 OBP.
So basically you didn't read my post. If you want to play a defensive catcher from a combined CLE/CIN team play Yan Gomes. He has better catcher-specific defensive advanced stats so far this year (making him at least as good as Hanigan defensively): Hanigan's Fielding+Pos.Adjustment of 4.2 is worse than Gomes' 4.7, and offensively Hanigan has a -6.9 (yes negative) batting value while Gomes is at 3.9

Gomes has a WAR of 1.2 while Hanigan is at 0.

So yes, Hanigan can ride the bench in place of Gomes if you want defense, and both are riding the pine for Santana if you want offense.
Jun 10, 2013 2:03pm
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Jun 10, 2013 3:02 PM
lhslep134;1455355 wrote:So basically you didn't read my post. If you want to play a defensive catcher from a combined CLE/CIN team play Yan Gomes. He has better catcher-specific defensive advanced stats so far this year (making him at least as good as Hanigan defensively): Hanigan's Fielding+Pos.Adjustment of 4.2 is worse than Gomes' 4.7, and offensively Hanigan has a -6.9 (yes negative) batting value while Gomes is at 3.9

Gomes has a WAR of 1.2 while Hanigan is at 0.

So yes, Hanigan can ride the bench in place of Gomes if you want defense, and both are riding the pine for Santana if you want offense.

I'll take the track record of Hanigan over the 23 games of Gomes any day.
Jun 10, 2013 3:02pm
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Jun 10, 2013 3:32 PM
se-alum;1455388 wrote:I'll take the track record of Hanigan over the 23 games of Gomes any day.
So lemme get this straight: 2 Reds fans (AZ and you) want to just ignore the fact that Gomes is as good or better defensively and ignore that Santana is light years better offensively, in order to put Hanigan in the lineup because the team "wouldn't need to rely on his bat (speaking of Santana)."

I don't think I need to say anything else besides: K.
Jun 10, 2013 3:32pm
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Jun 10, 2013 3:34 PM
se-alum;1455388 wrote:I'll take the track record of Hanigan over the 23 games of Gomes any day.
lhslep134;1455412 wrote:K, spoken like a true Reds fan.
reps for liberty here :thumbup:
Jun 10, 2013 3:34pm
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Jun 10, 2013 3:38 PM
I think they should just put Chapman at catcher. Hell just throw people out by 5 feet from his knees. Problem solved, youre welcome guys.
Jun 10, 2013 3:38pm