Archive 2013 Cleveland Browns Thread: RIP Chud

like_that

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Apr 22, 2013 1:40pm

Not to mention the Browns haven't won more than 5 games since 2007 and they still have higher attendance than a team that has made the playoffs 3 out of the 4 years. Keep on failing SE.

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 1:41pm

se-alum;1431451 wrote:I dislike Cincy and their fan base as much as you do, I'm just saying, let's not act like the Browns are packing the stadium for all their home games. I'm not going to brag about selling tickets if the ticket buyer isn't actually coming to the games.

but they are going to the game....look at the numbers. I really dont understand why you're trying to argue the other point. It's just wrong.

like_that

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Apr 22, 2013 1:42pm

se-alum;1431451 wrote:I dislike Cincy and their fan base as much as you do, I'm just saying, let's not act like the Browns are packing the stadium for all their home games. I'm not going to brag about selling tickets if the ticket buyer isn't actually coming to the games.

Sounds like back pedaling to me. Just admit your statement (cincy had a higher attendance) was wrong and get it over with.

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 1:51pm

jmog;1431421 wrote:Yeah, Gronk, Gonzo, VD, Gates, Graham, etc haven't elevated their teams to elite or great offenses have they?

5-10 years ago you'd be correct, but the game has changed and top receiving TEs are just as devastating to an offense (or more) as top WRs.

Gronk: 2nd round pick
Davis: 1st round pick
Graham: 3rd round pick
Hernandez: 4th round pick
Gates: undrafted

Maybe COA was wrong in comparing a TE's worth to a FB's, but that doesn't mean that a TE has to be taken early to be good, which jives with my earlier post.

se-alum

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Apr 22, 2013 1:52pm

Commander of Awesome;1431453 wrote:but they are going to the game....look at the numbers. I really dont understand why you're trying to argue the other point. It's just wrong.

Except for the 7,000 that aren't showing up.

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 1:53pm

se-alum;1431457 wrote:Except for the 7,000 that aren't showing up.

SE, we're just not going to agree. Think we should move on.

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 1:55pm

lhslep134;1431456 wrote:Gronk: 2nd round pick
Davis: 1st round pick
Graham: 3rd round pick
Hernandez: 4th round pick
Gates: undrafted

Maybe COA was wrong in comparing a TE's worth to a FB's, but that doesn't mean that a TE has to be taken early to be good, which jives with my earlier post.

Looking at Davis's numbers, wasn't worth a first round pick. Not by a long shot. Can't think of a TE that is though.

The FB comparison was tongue in cheek.

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 1:59pm

Commander of Awesome;1431460 wrote:Looking at Davis's numbers, wasn't worth a first round pick. Not by a long shot. Can't think of a TE that is though.

The FB comparison was tongue in cheek.

Oh yeah I know but I had to include that to keep it on track so he wouldn't go back and bring up the FB part of it.

se-alum

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Apr 22, 2013 1:59pm

Commander of Awesome;1431458 wrote:SE, we're just not going to agree. Think we should move on.

Agree.

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 2:01pm

Commander of Awesome;1431460 wrote:Can't think of a TE that is though.

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I liken Eifert and his college production to Kyle Rudolph. And Rudolph's been, in my eyes, pretty damn productive for the Vikings given the limitations of Ponder at QB. But Rudolph went in the 2nd round because tight ends aren't worth a 1st round pick. Now, or ever.

se-alum

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Apr 22, 2013 2:09pm

lhslep134;1431468 wrote:I liken Eifert and his college production to Kyle Rudolph. And Rudolph's been, in my eyes, pretty damn productive for the Vikings given the limitations of Ponder at QB. But Rudolph went in the 2nd round because tight ends aren't worth a 1st round pick. Now, or ever.

I somewhat disagree. I definitely don't want the Browns taking a TE, but if you're a team that had true #1 and #2 receivers, a good pass catching TE could open things up for them even more. This is a different league than it was 5-10 years ago, and the Gronk/Graham type TE's are really valuable. I could see Eifert going from 20-32 in the first round.

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 2:12pm

se-alum;1431473 wrote: Gronk/Graham type TE's are really valuable

I'm not understanding why you keep bringing this up? No one's disagreeing. My point is that those type of players are available in later rounds, and that you don't need to reach for them.

CLEconomically Speaking

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Apr 22, 2013 2:17pm

Milliner at 6. Trade to grab Manuel in second. S in third (i.e. Rambo)

like_that

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Apr 22, 2013 2:28pm

CLEconomically Speaking;1431477 wrote:Milliner at 6. Trade to grab Manuel in second. S in third (i.e. Rambo)

If they are trading to grab Manuel in the 2nd, they won't have a third round pick. Glad you are not the GM.

CLEconomically Speaking

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Apr 22, 2013 2:32pm

like_that;1431483 wrote:If they are trading to grab Manuel in the 2nd, they won't have a third round pick. Glad you are not the GM.

There are other options.. can package Rubin or Sheard with picks from next year

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 2:34pm

CLEconomically Speaking;1431484 wrote:There are other options.. can package Rubin or Sheard with picks from next year

I dont like it. You dont get better by trading guys in the trenches.

SportsAndLady

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Apr 22, 2013 2:39pm

Commander of Awesome;1431486 wrote:I dont like it. You dont get better by trading guys in the trenches.

Agreed. And we'd probably get trade raped in the process.

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 2:40pm

SportsAndLady;1431488 wrote:Agreed. And we'd probably get trade raped in the process.

No doubt. Franchise QB? Sure we'll take the 20th pick along with a bunch of back ups and 30 yr old retreads! /Kolkinis and Erica Womangini

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 2:59pm

Commander of Awesome;1431490 wrote:No doubt. Franchise QB? Sure we'll take the 20th pick along with a bunch of back ups and 30 yr old retreads! /Kolkinis and Erica Womangini

Speaking of Mangini: have you, on multiple occasions not just once, listened to his football analysis on ESPN?

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 3:36pm

lhslep134;1431498 wrote:Speaking of Mangini: have you, on multiple occasions not just once, listened to his football analysis on ESPN?

No, I do my best to avoid BSPN at all costs, including their website.

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BR1986FB

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Apr 22, 2013 3:47pm

Mangini is REAL good as an analyst...not so much as a talent evaluator.

Commander of Awesome

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Apr 22, 2013 4:04pm

BR1986FB;1431529 wrote:Mangini is REAL good as an analyst...not so much as a talent evaluator.

Supposedly that's why he went 6 to midnight over David Fucking Veikune. Veikune came into Berea and knew where the safety was supposed to be on a fucking play. Who GAF? Can the guy play? Turns out he couldn't. I've posted this story many times, but when I was at training Camp in 09 and got to see Veikune first hand many times. I knew from the first day that he was a bum. He was getting ABUSED by UDFAs. Legit looked like a guy who hadn't played football out there.

Dr. KnOiTaLL

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Apr 22, 2013 4:49pm

Hot dang, you guys have been busy on here today! All signs are pointing to the Browns selecting Milliner at 6. Jordan will likely be gone before then, so that won't be an option. As for our offense, I think Gordon proved last season that he can be a #1 WR, so at least the previous regime didn't completely bomb with the supplemental draft pick. I also think Little can be a solid #2, maybe similar to an Anquan Boldin player during his Arizona days (probably to a lesser degree, of course). Throw in Benjamin, and things could open up nicely in the middle of the field for Cameron, or we could play mis-matches against small slot corners. If we can stay healthy, and with the elimination of the Shurminater, I like the potential of our offense.

lhslep134

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Apr 22, 2013 5:06pm

BR1986FB;1431529 wrote:Mangini is REAL good as an analyst...not so much as a talent evaluator.

Yeah that's why I asked you COA.

He's definitely from the Belicheck tree in terms of football genius. I think he would be a great coordinator when his only valuable skillset would be put to use. Terrible HC, terrible talent evaluator, great X's and O's guy

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Sonofanump

Apr 22, 2013 5:47pm

Commander of Awesome;1431490 wrote:No doubt. Franchise QB? Sure we'll take the 20th pick along with a bunch of back ups and 30 yr old retreads! /Kolkinis and Erica Womangini

Wait wut? You talking about Mark Sanchez.