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BR1986FB
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Apr 23, 2013 12:29pm
Brent Sobleski ‏ @
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SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.
Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
brentsobleski 8s
SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.
Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 23, 2013 12:32pm
Read somewhere that Tampa's thinking when trading for Revis was that the value in this draft wasn't in the 1st, but in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.BR1986FB;1432010 wrote: Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
If that's true, then I would gladly trade the 6th for 4 of the 49ers picks in the first 3 rounds
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 23, 2013 12:34pm
Still pissed we didn't take the offer from the Saints for Ricky Williams.BR1986FB;1432010 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏ @
brentsobleski 8s
SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.
Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 23, 2013 12:35pm
Sounds like the Clippers logic for the year Kyrie Irving came out. LOL, glad they thought that way.lhslep134;1432013 wrote:Read somewhere that Tampa's thinking when trading for Revis was that the value in this draft wasn't in the 1st, but in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
If that's true, then I would gladly trade the 6th for 4 of the 49ers picks in the first 3 rounds
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 23, 2013 12:38pm
Yeah like I said, IF that's true I would do it, but I don't think it's true.Commander of Awesome;1432016 wrote:Sounds like the Clippers logic for the year Kyrie Irving came out. LOL, glad they thought that way.
I think that trading back to the 10-15 range and getting a 2nd rounder (at least) is my preferred scenario.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 23, 2013 12:41pm
Players from 5 down to 55 are pretty much interchangeable in this draft. Doesn't look like any impact studs but a lot of solid guys. And if we could do a deal with SF, grabbing their 1st next year, more ammo should they need to snag a QB in the 1st round.
Pick6
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Apr 23, 2013 12:42pm
all depends on what you think a franchise qb is. Id consider a decent consistent starter a franchise QB, which I would imagine is ~half of the league.Al Bundy;1431957 wrote:Do you think there are that many franchise QB's? You are saying that half the league has franchise QB's. That seems like a huge stretch.
Stafford would definitely be a franchise qb to me. Im not sure there are 15 Qbs better than him.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 23, 2013 12:50pm
To me there's "franchise" and "elite." There are quite a few franchise guys but only a handful of elite. Romo, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc are "franchise" QB's. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc are "elite."Pick6;1432020 wrote:all depends on what you think a franchise qb is. Id consider a decent consistent starter a franchise QB, which I would imagine is ~half of the league.
Stafford would definitely be a franchise qb to me. Im not sure there are 15 Qbs better than him.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 23, 2013 12:51pm
Pick6;1432020 wrote:all depends on what you think a franchise qb is
My definition is a player that you won't even think about replacing for at a minimum of 4 years.
QBs I don't consider franchise:
Freeman
Ponder
Tannehill (although let's see what he does this year)
Cutler
Bradford (sorry, he's got one more year to prove he's a franchise QB IMO)
Vick
Locker
Palmer
Alex Smith
Weeden
Sanchez
Undecided:
Newton
Schaub
Stafford
Dalton
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 23, 2013 12:51pm
We are on the same page.BR1986FB;1432025 wrote:To me there's "franchise" and "elite." There are quite a few franchise guys but only a handful of elite. Romo, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Stafford, etc are "franchise" QB's. Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc are "elite."
se-alum
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Apr 23, 2013 12:54pm
I think Buffalo made that decision when they paid Kolb the money they did. That said a lot about the QB class.BR1986FB;1431901 wrote:Not only hearing the "Milliner will slide" comments but also that it's very possible that Geno falls to the 20's, where he belongs. NFL Network was saying even Buffalo may pass on him.
se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Apr 23, 2013 12:57pm
Saw the Lotulelei talk, mostly tied to a trade of Rubin.BR1986FB;1432010 wrote:Brent Sobleski ‏ @
brentsobleski 8s
SOURCE: San Francisco's target in a potential trade up situation is Dee
Milliner. SF "wants and salivating over" the cornerback.
Do you trade down to 31 with the Niners? I'd have to imagine the compensation would actually make Mike Ditka blush. Complete violation to drop from 6 to 31.
BTW...a name that is being thrown around (if they trade down...for the Browns) is Star Lotulelei.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 23, 2013 1:00pm
It will be interesting to see where he falls to.se-alum;1432028 wrote:I think Buffalo made that decision when they paid Kolb the money they did. That said a lot about the QB class.
Commander of Awesome
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Apr 23, 2013 1:02pm
Rubin has 2 yrs left on his deal including this yr. Next year he's scheduled to make around $9 mil def wouldn't discount a DLine at #6.
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Gameover
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Apr 23, 2013 2:51pm
Where are the Browns at cap wise now?
Long term deals coming up to lock up the core guys?
Long term deals coming up to lock up the core guys?
Crimson streak
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Apr 23, 2013 3:05pm
Honestly I would love to trade rubin and take star. I could see star being a ngata. Or pretty close to it
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BR1986FB
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Apr 23, 2013 3:07pm
Last I heard they were about $25 million under.Gameover;1432123 wrote:Where are the Browns at cap wise now?
Long term deals coming up to lock up the core guys?
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 23, 2013 4:31pm
I just have a bad vibe about this draft. I think it could get ugly, and it could end up biting us in the ***. I just have this feeling that Lombardi is going to prove yet again why we all despise him. Excited for Thursday and nervous at the same time... 
Commander of Awesome
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Apr 23, 2013 4:34pm
Dr. KnOiTaLL
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Apr 23, 2013 4:41pm
Would love that scenario, wouldn't you?Commander of Awesome;1432220 wrote:http://football.realgm.com/src_article/2265/20130423/final_2013_nfl_mock_draft/
Commander of Awesome
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Apr 23, 2013 4:42pm
Oh yeah. Though I think the 3rd round pick wont be there/we need a safety. I would take Rambo in the 3rd with this scenario.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1432228 wrote:Would love that scenario, wouldn't you?
And I think 2 top CBs in the first 2 rounds is overkill. Rather take Jonathan Cyprien, Warmack, Cooper, hell Floyd and get Taylor in the 2nd. He's just as good IMO.
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Sonofanump
Apr 23, 2013 7:07pm
I think it might have moved to $33M.BR1986FB;1432137 wrote:Last I heard they were about $25 million under.
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Sonofanump
Apr 23, 2013 7:10pm
Two second rounders to move back 5 spots? I'd take that before the draft starts.Commander of Awesome;1432220 wrote:http://football.realgm.com/src_article/2265/20130423/final_2013_nfl_mock_draft/
Dr. KnOiTaLL
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Apr 23, 2013 8:51pm
Two first rounders? I'm not seeing where it says that? I see 1 first rounder and 2 seconds?Sonofanump;1432291 wrote:Two first rounders to move back 5 spots? I'd take that before the draft starts.
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Sonofanump
Apr 23, 2013 8:59pm
Yeah, I mis typed as I was thinking, I'll correct it.Dr. KnOiTaLL;1432337 wrote:Two first rounders? I'm not seeing where it says that? I see 1 first rounder and 2 seconds?