Yes it was opi. But you can't just disregard the fact that 4 Packers basically tackled the other Seahawk receiver that was in the play.

besides there are plenty of HOF's on tv as we speak with 10+ years experience who feel the same way as others on here, so do they not know what they are talking about?

wildcats20;1280060 wrote:Yes it was opi. But you can't just disregard the fact that 4 Packers basically tackled the other Seahawk receiver that was in the play.

Then there should have been calls against both teams, and the down repeated.

Gblock;1280012 wrote:after watching the last play in slow motion again i am flabbergasted that offensive pass interference wasnt called. he shoved him completely to the ground.

Watch almost any Hail Mary. I'd guess there is defensive pass interference on almost every one of them. Probably not as obvious as last night, but its a convenient time to complain about that when it happens on almost every hail Mary.

Terry_Tate;1280074 wrote:Watch almost any Hail Mary. I'd guess there is defensive pass interference on almost every one of them. Probably not as obvious as last night, but its a convenient time to complain about that when it happens on almost every hail Mary.

Yes, PI is rarely called on hail mary passes. Even with regular refs.

Gblock;1280058 wrote:I actually think i could...but im not sure what my competence has to do with theirs. I didnt get hired by the nfl. I m not a doctor but if my hand gets cut off and sewn on backwards should i not complain because i dont know how to do surgery?

Totally missed the point. Please note the part of your post I quoted.

Terry_Tate;1280074 wrote:Watch almost any Hail Mary. I'd guess there is defensive pass interference on almost every one of them. Probably not as obvious as last night, but its a convenient time to complain about that when it happens on almost every hail Mary.

I would agree with you on that. and it is very difficult/impossible to ever make a PI call on a hailmary. BUT this one was especially blatent imo. I was half asleep last night watching from bed but watching it today it looked worse to me.

WebFire;1280077 wrote:Totally missed the point. Please note the part of your post I quoted.

you are implying that anyone can make a call if it was in slow motion. i am implying that any ref in the NFL should be able to make a call without the benefit of slow motion. I would go even farther to say that i feel i could make a great official without the need of slow motion.

Gblock;1280078 wrote:I would agree with you on that. and it is very difficult/impossible to ever make a PI call on a hailmary. BUT this one was especially blatent imo. I was half asleep last night watching from bed but watching it today it looked worse to me.

And it was especially blatant dpi too.

wildcats20;1280084 wrote:And it was especially blatant dpi too.

i wouldnt disagree with that

Gblock;1280088 wrote:i wouldnt disagree with that

Lol 4 players tackling one. Yeah nothing blatant.

Shit I misread your post lol.

Gblock;1280082 wrote:you are implying that anyone can make a call if it was in slow motion. i am implying that any ref in the NFL should be able to make a call without the benefit of slow motion. I would go even farther to say that i feel i could make a great official without the need of slow motion.

Bet you wouldn't. What are your qualifications?

PS - I think the normal refs would struggle with this call to. It's not an easy one. And bang-bang.

WebFire;1280117 wrote:Bet you wouldn't. What are your qualifications?

PS - I think the normal refs would struggle with this call to. It's not an easy one. And bang-bang.

Im not saying its easy in fact its extremely dificult. and it takes years to gain the experience to be a great official but thats the thing you dont have to be perfect. the regular refs make plenty of bad calls. the fact that you think its so difficult is even more evidence that these guys dont belong out there. to me it is the equivilent of putting a regular joe out there. And i haved reffed, umpired and officiated Ohio hs to put myself through college and my dad is a 40 year veteran so i have been around it my whole life. I think it is a career i could have done if i wanted for sure. Its not rocket science, but experience is very important imo.

How anyone can defend them after the last 3 games I have watched is beyond me.

Laley23;1280144 wrote:How anyone can defend them after the last 3 games I have watched is beyond me.

yea this is a nightmare for goodell especially all that stuff he talked about the saints and integrity of the league/brand etc...worst case scenario

Gblock;1280128 wrote:Im not saying its easy in fact its extremely dificult. and it takes years to gain the experience to be a great official but thats the thing you dont have to be perfect. the regular refs make plenty of bad calls. the fact that you think its so difficult is even more evidence that these guys dont belong out there. to me it is the equivilent of putting a regular joe out there. And i haved reffed, umpired and officiated Ohio hs to put myself through college and my dad is a 40 year veteran so i have been around it my whole life. I think it is a career i could have done if i wanted for sure. Its not rocket science, but experience is very important imo.

What we have is an elite pyramid. For the most part the 119 NFL are the best in the world. I’d gather that none of the 119 lockout out are outside the 300[SUP]th[/SUP] best in the world and most of them are appropriately in the top 150. They are a few D1 NCAA officials that would crack the top 50. For the most part the officials at the FBS level are 100[SUP]th[/SUP] to 500[SUP]th[/SUP] in the world (~450). A few of these replacements are retired FBS guys, but mostly to take guys who worked D2 & D3 in front of limited scholar athletes with a few thousand (or hundred in the case of most D2 & D3 programs) is ludicrous. Moving up each level from JH to Frosh to HS to D3 to D2 to FCS to FBS to NFL is exponential in difficulty. Putting one D3 guy on an existing crew might work, but taking a whole new crew and putting them on the field together is insane.

Gblock;1280145 wrote:yea this is a nightmare for goodell especially all that stuff he talked about the saints and integrity of the league/brand etc...worst case scenario

It was a calculated risk. He figured there would be no difference in performance, and it would allow him to break the union and save the league a few million dollars (that is all this has been over).

When you do $10+ Billion a year in revenue, to risk the integrity of your brand (especially when Goodell has vowed to fight to the death to protect the integrity of the shield) over what amounts to a rounding error financially seemed foolish from the start, but greed will do that to you I guess.

Thankfully it blew up in his face, as he has learned a valuable lesson about needing to see the bigger picture when making decisions as it pertains to the league.

As we have seen, there is no substitute for experience when it comes to officiating. You can't just throw some guys in a room and expect them to perform at the level of a guy who has been out there for 20 years at the highest level.

It is not running a drill press where the operator is interchangeable as long as they can lift their arm up and down. The game moves at warp speed and you have to make snap judgement calls all the time.

In this case, experience is worth the extra money if it means a higher quality game and over all product.

As far as I know there are four replacement officials from Ohio. One retired Big Ten guy (I think he still does something with the OHSAA), one guy who was in D2 for two years and two D3 guys.

having played d3 football i do sympathize with increase in degree of difficulty these guys are faced with.

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Gblock;1280128 wrote:Im not saying its easy in fact its extremely dificult. and it takes years to gain the experience to be a great official but thats the thing you dont have to be perfect. the regular refs make plenty of bad calls. the fact that you think its so difficult is even more evidence that these guys dont belong out there. to me it is the equivilent of putting a regular joe out there. And i haved reffed, umpired and officiated Ohio hs to put myself through college and my dad is a 40 year veteran so i have been around it my whole life. I think it is a career i could have done if i wanted for sure. Its not rocket science, but experience is very important imo.

Ok, that makes more sense than what I thought you meant. And I agree.

Laley23;1280144 wrote:How anyone can defend them after the last 3 games I have watched is beyond me.

I'm not "defending" them per se. I think it's obvious the regular refs are better than the replacements, and logic would tell you that without even watching. My issue is that is has been way overblown, and EVERY SINGLE call that people think is wrong is made out to be "ermahgerd replacement refs". I wish there were a way to actually measure the % of bad calls for each group.