I also agree with this, the demands of the NFL refs are crazy.queencitybuckeye;1274951 wrote:The demands being made for a part-time job are beyond ridiculous. Go with these guys, replace the bottom 10% every year, in 5 years, perhaps less, there's almost no difference.
It's obvious. It blows my mind that people think the complaints are "blowing it out of proportion."Laley23;1274984 wrote:These guys are significantly worse. Its unfortuante.
The Embattled Officials Aren't Wrong as Much as You Think, but They're Definitely Slower
On length of the game:Only 31% of those calls [29 replay challenges so far -- an increase of 11% from last year] have been overturned, which is down from 52% last season and 42% in 2010.
Their indecision has contributed to games lasting six minutes longer, up to three hours and 13 minutes.
On flag frequency:That's eight seconds more [on penalty calls] than the time used on average by the regular referees.
In the past two weeks, 470 penalties were called—that's a difference of 11 penalties from the same span last season.
Regarding DBs:Common penalties like delay of game, illegal block, offside and roughing the passer were nearly identical to their 2011 numbers, according to Stats LLC. There hasn't been much of a home-field bias, either. In 2011, 44.5% of penalties through two weeks were called on the home team. That number rose to just 45.1% this season.
Not saw awful now eh? It definitely puts some things into perspective.Fifty pass interference calls were made through two weeks this year. That's up 28% from last season. Holding penalties were called 121 times, up from 107 a year ago. Perhaps most startling, they've called 21 personal fouls, up from four last season.
OSH;1275147 wrote:Uh oh...someone is wrong here...from the Wall Street Journal:
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On length of the game:
On flag frequency:
Regarding DBs:
Not saw awful now eh? It definitely puts some things into perspective.
Well, that was mentioned...the length of the referee huddle. And yes, there is more to it than lengthening the game...like slowing momentum and rhythm of an offense [or defense].DeyDurkie5;1275218 wrote:the refs have to huddle for a minute to decide what number the holding call was on, it slows down the game from a fan perspective. It's annoying.
But if Batter A went to the majors and batted .299 with 9 HR's and 31 RBI, he's not all that bad, right?Classyposter58;1275359 wrote:Batter A is hitting .312 with 16 HR's and 45 RBI
Batter B is hitting .303 with 11 HR's and 38 RBI
Batter A is a DII college SS while Batter B is a starting MLB SS. See how my original stats made it seem like Batter A is better but really there's no comparison and we all know this? Same with these refs. If you're watching the games, they're horrible. They just seem to be behind as far as being used to the speed of the game. So they're actually trying to call the penalties at times a second before it actually happens. There has been no constiency at all in PI and Defensive holding
This could be one of the worst comparisons I've ever heard.Classyposter58;1275359 wrote:Batter A is hitting .312 with 16 HR's and 45 RBI
Batter B is hitting .303 with 11 HR's and 38 RBI
Batter A is a DII college SS while Batter B is a starting MLB SS. See how my original stats made it seem like Batter A is better but really there's no comparison and we all know this? Same with these refs. If you're watching the games, they're horrible. They just seem to be behind as far as being used to the speed of the game. So they're actually trying to call the penalties at times a second before it actually happens. There has been no constiency at all in PI and Defensive holding
So, you are saying the replacement referees are calling penalties at the end of games to even up the penalty count to what the "real" NFL referees had called in the last couple years? Interesting assumption. Not saying it's wrong, because this argument has not been proven right OR wrong. My guess is...this isn't even close to being right.Gblock;1275360 wrote:meh...while the number of calls could be the same, at what point they happen in the game is really what matters.
thats like when i used to coach basketball and with 6 minutes to go the fouls could be 15 fouls to 3. in the last few minutes of a blowout the refs call a few tic tac fouls and if you read the paper the next day the fouls say 15 to 9 and it looks like an even number of fouls were called on both teams.
Please tell me what those "ridiculous demands" entail? Is it not losing two assignments a year? Is it to retain the already earned pension?sleeper;1275496 wrote:Count me in as someone who likes the replacement refs. I hope the NFL never caves for the 'real' refs and their ridiculous demands.
not at all what im saying...im saying that not all penalties are equal...a personal foul at the the end of the game in a blowout with 30 sec left does not equal a personal foul on 3rd and 12 like was called in the sf/gb game when the guys helmet came off as he was tackling a. rodgers. just because the amount of penalties is the same does not necessarily mean the games are being reffed the same way. as the saying goes you could throw a flag on every play if you wanted type dealOSH;1275540 wrote:This could be one of the worst comparisons I've ever heard.
We aren't comparing how these replacement refs did in college and how the "real" NFL refs did in professional football. We are comparing the referees at the same level. But, of course, making sense isn't something we should do when we try to make a point in a discussion...
So, you are saying the replacement referees are calling penalties at the end of games to even up the penalty count to what the "real" NFL referees had called in the last couple years? Interesting assumption. Not saying it's wrong, because this argument has not been proven right OR wrong. My guess is...this isn't even close to being right.
Lol wowClassyposter58;1275359 wrote:Batter A is hitting .312 with 16 HR's and 45 RBI
Batter B is hitting .303 with 11 HR's and 38 RBI
Batter A is a DII college SS while Batter B is a starting MLB SS. See how my original stats made it seem like Batter A is better but really there's no comparison and we all know this? Same with these refs. If you're watching the games, they're horrible. They just seem to be behind as far as being used to the speed of the game. So they're actually trying to call the penalties at times a second before it actually happens. There has been no constiency at all in PI and Defensive holding
Pensions, full pay pentions, for a part time job is pretty rediculous.Sonofanump;1275679 wrote:Please tell me what those "ridiculous demands" entail? Is it not losing two assignments a year? Is it to retain the already earned pension?
The NFL has offered a 2.8% raise per game and cutting two games. Please do the math on that one.
Define part time. How many hours a week?jmog;1275753 wrote:Pensions, full pay pentions, for a part time job is pretty rediculous.
It's a 10% pay cut that the NFL is offering despite doubling the amount of money they are taking in with sponsorships.Sonofanump;1275679 wrote:Please tell me what those "ridiculous demands" entail? Is it not losing two assignments a year? Is it to retain the already earned pension?
The NFL has offered a 2.8% raise per game and cutting two games. Please do the math on that one.
3.5. No, the hours spent honing their craft do not count, all professionals must do that. No, travel time does not count, all professionals must do that.Sonofanump;1275760 wrote:Define part time. How many hours a week?
So NFL players only work 3.5 hours a week. Interesting.queencitybuckeye;1275770 wrote:3.5. No, the hours spent honing their craft do not count, all professionals must do that. No, travel time does not count, all professionals must do that.
Well considering the NFL is able to run its organization without experienced referees and still maintain billion dollar profits; the refs should be happy with their current salary + 2.8% raise.Sonofanump;1275679 wrote:Please tell me what those "ridiculous demands" entail? Is it not losing two assignments a year? Is it to retain the already earned pension?
The NFL has offered a 2.8% raise per game and cutting two games. Please do the math on that one.
remains to be seen in the longrun...fans,coaches,players,advertisers are not happy with the product currently. could it get better? sure they can improve and maybe nothing bad will happen. I still say that it is just a matter of time until a call is going to cost a team a game.sleeper;1275783 wrote:Well considering the NFL is able to run its organization without experienced referees and still maintain billion dollar profits; the refs should be happy with their current salary + 2.8% raise.
1) It is subjective, but thinking that the organization is running fine with the current officials is very disagreeable.sleeper;1275783 wrote:Well considering the NFL is able to run its organization without experienced referees and still maintain billion dollar profits; the refs should be happy with their current salary + 2.8% raise.
I don't agree with that. If the only way you can do your job is by flying to it, the company is going to cover that. And most companies provide some type of training for their employees.queencitybuckeye;1275770 wrote:3.5. No, the hours spent honing their craft do not count, all professionals must do that. No, travel time does not count, all professionals must do that.