Con_Alma;1244372 wrote:What value does the driver bring when considering the potential large supply of this skill set?

Classyposter58;1244491 wrote:Knowing routes by memory, I can't learn a 300 mile route in a day. Also a great work ethic and a kind of perseverance to not be burnt out after years on the job. You can't be lazy and do that job

Con_Alma;1244767 wrote:I didn't question work ethic nor the ability to memorize routes.

The skill set required to drive for them exists in many people making the supply significant. What's the value that needs to be represented and protected?

Classyposter58;1245203 wrote:Ask UPS. They're the ones who pay a starting wage of $28.50/hour to drivers. And also you say the supply is significant but I don't think you realize how few stay there for 10 years. I'll put it in this perspective, I am #1 out of 7 in seniority in my department and I've only been there for 2 years. There's a reason why people burn out so fast which is why they have to pay such a high amount. They're also skilled CDL drivers as well

Classyposter58;1245203 wrote:Ask UPS. They're the ones who pay a starting wage of $28.50/hour to drivers. And also you say the supply is significant but I don't think you realize how few stay there for 10 years. I'll put it in this perspective, I am #1 out of 7 in seniority in my department and I've only been there for 2 years. There's a reason why people burn out so fast which is why they have to pay such a high amount. They're also skilled CDL drivers as well

sleeper;1245227 wrote:I hate public unions since they sit on both sides of the table during negotiations and play mind games with **** like "If you don't give the teachers $10,000 more per year, then you hate children and firefighters".

I don't hate private unions; that is until we bailed out GM who's main problem is an expensive labor force that's getting its ass kicked in a global market place. GM should be out of business yesterday.

Crimson streak;1245324 wrote:I wish we would have had a union where I worked. I got fired last week for getting hurt on the job and was on light duty for 4 weeks because I have 3 severe messed up discs in my back, from bending over and picking shit up 2000 times a day. They told me they fired me because I refused to do something outside of my restrictions. Even though it sucks I'm better off with out that place

stlouiedipalma;1245333 wrote:You conveniently leave out the part where GM agreed to the wage and benefit packages they negotiated with their unions. There's always two sides to any issue.

sleeper;1245334 wrote:Your choice to work there. If no one was willing to do the hard dangerous work, the wages for that position would steadily increase until it was able to fill the position of need. All unions do is create broken jobs that cannot be sustained and give a false sense of security to jobs Americans are simply not good at for its cost.

Crimson streak;1245387 wrote:I forgot to add that I work at a warehouse and were paid based on performance. We have a system that gives us a time to do an order in and it's based off percentages. And for every percentage over 100 it's 15 cents added on to your hourly wage. Well the cut all the time down by 30-40 % which caused people to work even harder just to make what we were making before, therefor causing people to get injuried

Crimson streak;1245324 wrote:I wish we would have had a union where I worked. I got fired last week for getting hurt on the job and was on light duty for 4 weeks because I have 3 severe messed up discs in my back, from bending over and picking **** up 2000 times a day. They told me they fired me because I refused to do something outside of my restrictions. Even though it sucks I'm better off with out that place

stlouiedipalma;1245333 wrote:You conveniently leave out the part where GM agreed to the wage and benefit packages they negotiated with their unions. There's always two sides to any issue.

Crimson streak;1245387 wrote:I forgot to add that I work at a warehouse and were paid based on performance. We have a system that gives us a time to do an order in and it's based off percentages. And for every percentage over 100 it's 15 cents added on to your hourly wage. Well the cut all the time down by 30-40 % which caused people to work even harder just to make what we were making before, therefor causing people to get injuried

jmog;1245456 wrote:Has nothing to do with a union, if this is true then you can file a wrongful termination suit/complaint. If you get hurt on the job it is illegal to fire you because of it.

isadore;1245463 wrote:gosh you mean those laws that were passed because of pressure from the unions.

jmog;1245466 wrote:Read what everyone has said on this thread, we all said that unions were needed for sure in the past. However, the main need for them (safe working conditions) has now gone away with the laws that they helped pass.

If you also read again, no one is saying we want private unions to be illegal or anything. Public unions should be abolished (or at least be made illegal to donate to politicians).

jmog;1245459 wrote:Place will have enough people quit that they will have to change their business model or go bankrupt. This has nothing to do with having or not having a union.

Crimson streak;1245490 wrote:With a union they wouldn't have been able change our pay like that. We have had close to 80 people quit/ get fired for performance because of the new change and another 40 get injured. With the new change it cost me close to 200 dollars a week off my pay check. They lost a lot of there good workers there and they just say well we get hundreds of applications a day your easy to replace. So I've come to the conclusion I'm better off with out that place

isadore;1245481 wrote:with the increased political power of corporations that legislation protecting the worker is far from safe as unions ability to act as a countervailing force is diminished.

isadore;1245763 wrote:A few examples
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Am313_J4WUX5U9MwWLnPnmebvZx4?fr=yfp-t-701-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=bush%20overtime%20law
Push for the right to work law by alec and the efforts to cut state worker protection
Bush administration nlrb
Gosh the one really good thing was the support Ohio voters supporting Ohio public employee unions with their overwhelming rejection of SB5

Crimson streak;1245490 wrote:With a union they wouldn't have been able change our pay like that. We have had close to 80 people quit/ get fired for performance because of the new change and another 40 get injured. With the new change it cost me close to 200 dollars a week off my pay check. They lost a lot of there good workers there and they just say well we get hundreds of applications a day your easy to replace. So I've come to the conclusion I'm better off with out that place