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Aug 13, 2012 4:57 PM
Crimson streak;1245387 wrote:I forgot to add that I work at a warehouse and were paid based on performance. We have a system that gives us a time to do an order in and it's based off percentages. And for every percentage over 100 it's 15 cents added on to your hourly wage. Well the cut all the time down by 30-40 % which caused people to work even harder just to make what we were making before, therefor causing people to get injuried
So quit? If the people didn't like the new pay structure, they have a right to leave and find work at another company. If enough people leave, they will be forced to increase wages or not be able to meet its production quota. If you have a union, the company will likely be unable to compete in a global environment and will go out of business in the long term. Either way, you're out of a job.
Aug 13, 2012 4:57pm
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Aug 13, 2012 5:11 PM
jmog;1245795 wrote:Most of your examples are about public unions which is outside of the scope of this topic.

We are talking private sector unions.
of the examples I listed only the last had to do with public unions, ohio voters overwhelmingly rejected sb5
Aug 13, 2012 5:11pm
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Aug 14, 2012 7:33 AM
Belly35;1246283 wrote:Worker vote to go back to work and earn a pay check, Union said vote is illegal.
So the only real vote that means anything is a vote by the Union and not the workers...
This is why I Hate Unions.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/08/13/colombia-coal-rail-workers-vote-to-end-strike-union-says-vote-illegal/[/QUOTE)
this is happening where. oh in Bogota, Columbia.
and only 200 workers out of 634 strikers are union members.
so the union is only talking about its members not the others in the strike.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/08/13/colombia-coal-rail-workers-vote-to-end-strike-union-says-vote-illegal/
Aug 14, 2012 7:33am
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Aug 14, 2012 9:03 AM
isadore;1246295 wrote:
Belly35;1246283 wrote:Worker vote to go back to work and earn a pay check, Union said vote is illegal.
So the only real vote that means anything is a vote by the Union and not the workers...
This is why I Hate Unions.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/08/13/colombia-coal-rail-workers-vote-to-end-strike-union-says-vote-illegal/[/QUOTE)
this is happening where. oh in Bogota, Columbia.
and only 200 workers out of 634 strikers are union members.
so the union is only talking about its members not the others in the strike.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/08/13/colombia-coal-rail-workers-vote-to-end-strike-union-says-vote-illegal/
Does it really matter? They want to go back to work. Why do you hate work?
Aug 14, 2012 9:03am
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Aug 14, 2012 9:20 AM
unions represent union workers, the company held its own election. you can not tell how the union workers voted or if they voted at all.
why do you hate workers?
Aug 14, 2012 9:20am
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Aug 14, 2012 9:34 AM
isadore;1246376 wrote:unions represent union workers, the company held its own election. you can not tell how the union workers voted or if they voted at all.
why do you hate workers?
Over 50% of workers voted to end the strike - that's a majority. Why do you hate work?
Aug 14, 2012 9:34am
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Aug 14, 2012 9:40 AM
there is no proof the majority of union workers voted to end the strike, why should they stop.
why do you hate working people?
Aug 14, 2012 9:40am
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Aug 14, 2012 12:52 PM
Unions are basically Communism in its purest form. Communists first started Unions in the 20s & 30s worldwide. That's one pretty good reason to hate them right there.
Aug 14, 2012 12:52pm
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Aug 14, 2012 1:31 PM
Why do you hate unions?

See the bankrupt town of Detroit. Mit was right.
Aug 14, 2012 1:31pm
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Aug 14, 2012 4:17 PM
isadore;1246398 wrote:there is no proof the majority of union workers voted to end the strike, why should they stop.
why do you hate working people?
Umm, over 50% of ALL workers voted to end the strike (this is what it means to have a majority).

I understand why you hate work. But why would you prevent good, decent people who WANT to work from doing so?
Aug 14, 2012 4:17pm
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Aug 14, 2012 11:01 PM
Belly35;1246283 wrote:Worker vote to go back to work and earn a pay check, Union said vote is illegal.
So the only real vote that means anything is a vote by the Union and not the workers...
This is why I Hate Unions.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012/08/13/colombia-coal-rail-workers-vote-to-end-strike-union-says-vote-illegal/
Couldn't come up with something domestic, huh? All of the unions I have dealt with here in America organized all ratification votes of their menbership, something which was achieved during the collective bargaining process and agreed to by the company.

Next time you want to slam the unions, please try to come up with something pertinent to what's happening in our country. That is, unless your blind hatred for Obama has led you to renounce your citizenship, LOL.
Aug 14, 2012 11:01pm
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Aug 15, 2012 7:22 AM
stlouiedipalma;1247160 wrote:Couldn't come up with something domestic, huh? All of the unions I have dealt with here in America organized all ratification votes of their menbership, something which was achieved during the collective bargaining process and agreed to by the company.

Next time you want to slam the unions, please try to come up with something pertinent to what's happening in our country. That is, unless your blind hatred for Obama has led you to renounce your citizenship, LOL.
I does matter where the Unions are they are the same every where .... job killer and business closers
Aug 15, 2012 7:22am
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Aug 15, 2012 3:37 PM
Tiernan;1246577 wrote:Unions are basically Communism in its purest form. Communists first started Unions in the 20s & 30s worldwide. That's one pretty good reason to hate them right there.
unions existed long before the 1920s.
Aug 15, 2012 3:37pm
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Aug 15, 2012 3:41 PM
gut;1246805 wrote:Umm, over 50% of ALL workers voted to end the strike (this is what it means to have a majority).

I understand why you hate work. But why would you prevent good, decent people who WANT to work from doing so?
the vote does not show if union workers were even allowed to participate.
the union members have the right to determine whether they want to work or to continue the strike.
good and decent people support protections of workers against the abuses of corporations.
Aug 15, 2012 3:41pm
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Aug 15, 2012 3:44 PM
Belly35;1247252 wrote:I does matter where the Unions are they are the same every where .... job killer and business closers
that was the attitude when workers had to 14 hour days, 6 or 7 days a week, unsafe work conditions, no compensation for injury or even job protection, and child labor.
Aug 15, 2012 3:44pm
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Aug 15, 2012 4:06 PM
isadore;1247763 wrote:that was the attitude when workers had to 14 hour days, 6 or 7 days a week, unsafe work conditions, no compensation for injury or even job protection, and child labor.
And your point is :D
Aug 15, 2012 4:06pm
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Aug 15, 2012 5:11 PM
isadore;1247760 wrote:the vote does not show if union workers were even allowed to participate.
the union members have the right to determine whether they want to work or to continue the strike.
good and decent people support protections of workers against the abuses of corporations.
50% of the workers needed to vote in favor of ending the strike. That's what happened. Why do you insist these people should not be allowed to go back to work?
Aug 15, 2012 5:11pm
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Aug 15, 2012 5:50 PM
gut;1247831 wrote:50% of the workers needed to vote in favor of ending the strike. That's what happened. Why do you insist these people should not be allowed to go back to work?
the union workers should determine by their own vote if they continue to strike, their vote should determine for the union.
Aug 15, 2012 5:50pm
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Aug 15, 2012 6:00 PM
isadore;1247845 wrote:the union workers should determine by their own vote if they continue to strike, their vote should determine for the union.
Factories can't often run with such a small % of the workforce. So why should the union be able to prevent OVER HALF the workers from doing what they get paid to do?

The union guys don't have to go to work if they don't want to. But they don't have enough votes to legally force a work stoppage.

I mean, hey, if they don't want to work then go find other employment.
Aug 15, 2012 6:00pm
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Aug 15, 2012 6:06 PM
it is a railroad in colombia not a factory. and what you can not tell is whether the union represents workers with a particular skill set.
the union is to represent its members.
Aug 15, 2012 6:06pm
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Aug 15, 2012 6:47 PM
isadore;1247862 wrote:it is a railroad in colombia not a factory. and what you can not tell is whether the union represents workers with a particular skill set.
the union is to represent its members.
OK, so a few workers should be able to shutdown the whole railroad just because they are union and no one else's rights matter? Just admit you hate work and people with jobs and move on with it.
Aug 15, 2012 6:47pm
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Aug 15, 2012 7:08 PM
union represents a specific groups of workers, it is their choice if they wish to continue the strike.
Aug 15, 2012 7:08pm
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Aug 16, 2012 12:28 AM
isadore;1247912 wrote:union represents a specific groups of workers, it is their choice if they wish to continue the strike.
Actually, no, there are laws against that (as there should be). A few people can't legally shutdown a plant by choosing to strike. You can't lay down in a machine to shut the place down and not be forceably removed.

Why should a minority of workers be able to prevent the majority from going to work? It's clear you don't believe in people's right to earn a living.
Aug 16, 2012 12:28am
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Aug 16, 2012 8:42 AM
gut;1248177 wrote:Actually, no, there are laws against that (as there should be). A few people can't legally shutdown a plant by choosing to strike. You can't lay down in a machine to shut the place down and not be forceably removed.

Why should a minority of workers be able to prevent the majority from going to work? It's clear you don't believe in people's right to earn a living.
number one this is about the laws of colombia not the united states.
and one group can strike
if you have a group within a business like the engineers in a railroad and they have a union. or the electricans in a factory. they can strike if they wish.
Aug 16, 2012 8:42am