Commander of Awesome;1177153 wrote:I see your point Mooney, but we had 4 (6 if you want to count Phillips/VMart, 7 if you include Lincecum) of those type players. And the dolans pissed them away (well two are injury plagued). That's not a marketing problem, thats an ownership problem IMO.

wildcats20;1177165 wrote:lol

I mean it wouldn't be an overnight change in the team, but within 3 years he would have them competing again. Just like he will with the Cavs.

like_that;1177168 wrote:He is rich, but is he that rich to own two teams, and make a baseball team competitive? I feel like he would have to partner up (mark cuban) to buy the tribe and make them competitive.

like_that;1177168 wrote:He is rich, but is he that rich to own two teams, and make a baseball team competitive? I feel like he would have to partner up (mark cuban) to buy the tribe and make them competitive.

wildcats20;1177155 wrote:I would say it's a combo of what Mooney said and definitely the ownership.

When is Gilbert going to just pony up the money and buy the damn team?

wildcats20;1177169 wrote:I mean if Cuban is REALLY that interested in buying a MLB team(which I think he is), it would be a damn good deal for him to team up with someone like Gilbert.

As far as if Gilbert has enough, who the hell knows lol

wes_mantooth;1177179 wrote:The rumors were always that Cuban wanted in on buying the Pirates. They have an amazing ballpark...just imagine what he would have done for that franchise.

wildcats20;1177180 wrote:For sure wouldn't have traded away every single decent prospect they have had in the last 10 years lol

wes_mantooth;1177179 wrote:The rumors were always that Cuban wanted in on buying the Pirates. They have an amazing ballpark...just imagine what he would have done for that franchise.

Mooney44Cards;1177166 wrote:I completely agree. When your team has no stars, that's not the team's problem, that's the owner's problem. They gambled on a bunch of prospects that they got for VMart, Sabathia, and others and none of them really turned into anything special. If you take a huge risk at your job, and it turns the company into a complete shit fest, do you keep your job? Probably not.

DeyDurkie5;1177231 wrote:I don't laugh at these athletes that bitch about fans. He's got a legit gripe. Other teams pull in 30,000 fans per game and get the support needed. They are averaging 15,000 fans. It's just not enough, especially for the cold weather town of Cleveland.

Mooney44Cards;1177237 wrote:On-field success doesn't translate to ticket sales in the short term. Usually it takes two winning seasons to see an uptick in attendance for that third year.

DeyDurkie5;1177241 wrote:I know this. But players think in the short term, not long term.

Mooney44Cards;1177243 wrote:That's why they don't let the players run the teams.

DeyDurkie5;1177245 wrote:That has nothing to do with the argument. Players are ripping the fans for not attending the first place indians games. Has nothing to do with ownership

Mooney44Cards;1177249 wrote:And I understand Perez's frustration. But him acting like a whiny baby because fans aren't coming to see the mediocre team that happens to be in 1st place in the worst division in baseball does nothing. He needs to keep his opinions to himself. I'm sure he'd want fans to be patient with him after only 7 weeks, so maybe he should do the same for them.

Mooney44Cards;1177250 wrote:Also: being in first place in May means nothing. Indians fans are smarter than that to fall for that BS.

DeyDurkie5;1177252 wrote:I disagree completely with your first part. Cleveland fans bitch about having a winner in their town. Regardless of what you say about it being hte first quarter of a 162 game season, it's still the Indians being in 1st place. They should support the team.

wildcats20;1177165 wrote:lol

I mean it wouldn't be an overnight change in the team, but within 3 years he would have them competing again. Just like he will with the Cavs.