SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 26, 2012 7:33pm
Your posts are just that dumbIggyPride00;1096857 wrote:Are you trolling me or something? You seem kind of obsessed with me and my posts recently.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 26, 2012 7:43pm
Got into a debate last night at the poker table about Manning/Brady. I said Manning is clearly the better quarterback, and if rings were the indication of the QB and not the team, then Terry Bradshaw would be top 3 all time. And he was garbage.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Feb 26, 2012 8:25pm
Clearly? Hardly.lhslep134;1096930 wrote:Got into a debate last night at the poker table about Manning/Brady. I said Manning is clearly the better quarterback, and if rings were the indication of the QB and not the team, then Terry Bradshaw would be top 3 all time. And he was garbage.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 26, 2012 8:38pm
Welp, dynasty responding settles it. Manning is better.thedynasty1998;1096990 wrote:Clearly? Hardly.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 26, 2012 9:02pm
Repslike_that;1097011 wrote:Welp, dynasty responding settles it. Manning is better.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 26, 2012 9:08pm
lol...agreed.like_that;1097011 wrote:Welp, dynasty responding settles it. Manning is better.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 26, 2012 9:15pm
I'll take the 4 time league MVP over Brady. Not even close. Not even surprised that dynasty thinks its debatable, he always takes the opposite view point, and his sports knowledge (or lack there of) is well documented.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 26, 2012 9:30pm
Hardly? Easilythedynasty1998;1096990 wrote:Hardly.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Feb 26, 2012 9:30pm
I wouldn't say its clear that Manning is better. But in my opinion I'd take him over Brady.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 7:44am
I don't think it's "clear" either.Iliketurtles;1097102 wrote:I wouldn't say its clear that Manning is better. But in my opinion I'd take him over Brady.
Manning played as a rookie while Brady didn't. Manning has also been in the league 2 more years than Brady. Take Brady's rookie season and Manning's last injury (lost) season and it's still 2 years.
Yes, Manning has 15000 yards more passing than Brady which I know Brady wouldn't make up in 2 years BUT Manning's TD to INT ratio is 2:1 while Brady's is almost 3:1 while Brady hasn't had NEARLY the supporting cast, offensively, that Manning has. In the next two years, if Manning didn't play, Brady would probably be about 20 TD's shy of Manning yeat wouldn't have NEARLY as many INT's. As it stands, right now, Manning has 198 INT's while Brady has 115.
I'd love to give Brady the weapons Manning has had and see how he fared.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Feb 27, 2012 9:02am
BR1986FB;1097323 wrote:I don't think it's "clear" either.
Manning played as a rookie while Brady didn't. Manning has also been in the league 2 more years than Brady. Take Brady's rookie season and Manning's last injury (lost) season and it's still 2 years.
Yes, Manning has 15000 yards more passing than Brady which I know Brady wouldn't make up in 2 years BUT Manning's TD to INT ratio is 2:1 while Brady's is almost 3:1 while Brady hasn't had NEARLY the supporting cast, offensively, that Manning has. In the next two years, if Manning didn't play, Brady would probably be about 20 TD's shy of Manning yeat wouldn't have NEARLY as many INT's. As it stands, right now, Manning has 198 INT's while Brady has 115.
I'd love to give Brady the weapons Manning has had and see how he fared.
You're also forgetting Brady's knee year. It's closer than that.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 27, 2012 9:02am
Strong rebuttalthedynasty1998;1096990 wrote:Clearly? Hardly.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 27, 2012 9:04am
4 League MVPs to 1. Nuff said.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 27, 2012 9:05am
Lineman running the 40 is even more exciting then QB's sprinting.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 9:09am
According to John Czarnecki of FOX Sports, the Rams have been getting "weird, uninterested signals" from the Browns on the possibility of trading up two spots to draft Baylor's Robert Griffin III.
RGIII is coming off a dominant Combine, exceeding height expectations, exploding with Vick-like speed, and putting on the most impressive news conference display ESPN's John Clayton has seen in 24 years in Indy. While there's little doubt that Griffin will go off the board at No. 2 overall, we've now seen several reports in two days suggesting the Browns won't be nearly as aggressive as the Redskins. We've also seen at least a handful of national reports warning not to rule out a "mystery" team in the RGIII sweepstakes.
Source: FOXSports.com Feb 27 - 2:37 AM<<
RGIII is coming off a dominant Combine, exceeding height expectations, exploding with Vick-like speed, and putting on the most impressive news conference display ESPN's John Clayton has seen in 24 years in Indy. While there's little doubt that Griffin will go off the board at No. 2 overall, we've now seen several reports in two days suggesting the Browns won't be nearly as aggressive as the Redskins. We've also seen at least a handful of national reports warning not to rule out a "mystery" team in the RGIII sweepstakes.
Source: FOXSports.com Feb 27 - 2:37 AM<<
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 27, 2012 9:20am
Good to see.BR1986FB;1097364 wrote:According to John Czarnecki of FOX Sports, the Rams have been getting "weird, uninterested signals" from the Browns on the possibility of trading up two spots to draft Baylor's Robert Griffin III.
RGIII is coming off a dominant Combine, exceeding height expectations, exploding with Vick-like speed, and putting on the most impressive news conference display ESPN's John Clayton has seen in 24 years in Indy. While there's little doubt that Griffin will go off the board at No. 2 overall, we've now seen several reports in two days suggesting the Browns won't be nearly as aggressive as the Redskins. We've also seen at least a handful of national reports warning not to rule out a "mystery" team in the RGIII sweepstakes.
Source: FOXSports.com Feb 27 - 2:37 AM<<
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Feb 27, 2012 9:22am
Not gonna get all upset or excited on any of these rumors. We still have FA, and what teams are showing right now could very well be a smokescreen. After FA, we'll have a much better idea who is looking to draft who.BR1986FB;1097364 wrote:According to John Czarnecki of FOX Sports, the Rams have been getting "weird, uninterested signals" from the Browns on the possibility of trading up two spots to draft Baylor's Robert Griffin III.
RGIII is coming off a dominant Combine, exceeding height expectations, exploding with Vick-like speed, and putting on the most impressive news conference display ESPN's John Clayton has seen in 24 years in Indy. While there's little doubt that Griffin will go off the board at No. 2 overall, we've now seen several reports in two days suggesting the Browns won't be nearly as aggressive as the Redskins. We've also seen at least a handful of national reports warning not to rule out a "mystery" team in the RGIII sweepstakes.
Source: FOXSports.com Feb 27 - 2:37 AM<<
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 9:22am
They are in complete disarray (especially regarding who wants/doesn't want RG3) regarding what they want to do at QB right now.like_that;1097370 wrote:Good to see.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Feb 27, 2012 9:26am
Anyone know what Heckertt's health issues are? I know they haven't been released, but the only rumor I heard was staph infection (obviously for the lols).
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 9:27am
He had bypass surgery (supposedly) 3 weeks ago.OneBuckeye;1097376 wrote:Anyone know what Heckertt's health issues are? I know they haven't been released, but the only rumor I heard was staph infection (obviously for the lols).
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 27, 2012 9:41am
If true, expect the Browns to continue failing for multiples seasons. Whatever team drafts RG3 will have drastic improvement immediately.BR1986FB;1097364 wrote:According to John Czarnecki of FOX Sports, the Rams have been getting "weird, uninterested signals" from the Browns on the possibility of trading up two spots to draft Baylor's Robert Griffin III.
While there's little doubt that Griffin will go off the board at No. 2 overall, we've now seen several reports in two days suggesting the Browns won't be nearly as aggressive as the Redskins.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 9:46am
I completely agree but I don't think they should go crazy with a "Ricky Williams type deal." As some have mentioned, he IS going to need someone to throw to even though I believe his presence would help the current receivers improve.said_aouita;1097393 wrote:If true, expect the Browns to continue failing for multiples seasons. Whatever team drafts RG3 will have drastic improvement immediately.
My understanding is that they are torn on him. Half want him while the other half think he's another Michael Vick (which is bullshit if you've watched him play) and have no idea how to use him in the WCO.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 27, 2012 10:02am
Same things were said about Ryan Leaf.said_aouita;1097393 wrote:If true, expect the Browns to continue failing for multiples seasons. Whatever team drafts RG3 will have drastic improvement immediately.
Oh and didn't the Rams draft Sam Bradford #1 2 years ago? Where's their drastic improvement? I believe they're picking 2nd this year.
Your post is way too speculative to say the Browns will continue failing if they don't take RG3.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 27, 2012 10:06am
And Ryan Leaf didn't give a fuck about football. Same can be said for JaFatAss Russell & Akili Smith. They were just looking to get paid. RG3 is pretty well grounded with a head on his shoulders. Brought up in a military family he's had to earn what he's gotten. He'll be a "little" different than Ryan Leaf.lhslep134;1097403 wrote:Same things were said about Ryan Leaf.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 27, 2012 10:08am
BR1986FB;1097408 wrote:And Ryan Leaf didn't give a **** about football. Same can be said for JaFatAss Russell & Akili Smith. They were just looking to get paid. RG3 is pretty well grounded with a head on his shoulders. Brought up in a military family he's had to earn what he's gotten. He'll be a "little" different than Ryan Leaf.
Even so, what about Sam Bradford? Seems like a very good kid, taken #1 overall, and now the Rams are picking #2 just 2 seasons later. Doesn't seem like immediate drastic improvement to me at all.
And how do you know for certain he won't be a flop? You don't.