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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 5:13pm
Have actually heard the Manning brothers would relish playing each other 2x's a year.IggyPride00;1096623 wrote:I think Arizona is going to emerge as a suitor for Manning. Very winnable division, play in a dome, good receivers, and a history with Warner of bringing in a veteran QB for a stretch run at the end of their career.
They seemed fairly underwhelmed with Kolb, so I think they would have no problem cutting him loose if it meant bringing Peyton to town.
I could be wrong, but I just don't see Peyton having the appetite for the NFC east with a Washington team that is really not that close right now. That is a tough and bruising division, not to mention he would play Eli twice a year.
The NFC west is a joke outside of SF, who is made great strides, but still isn't what I would call a world beater.
Peyton has about 2-3 years if he is healthy, so I see him going to the place that is most ready to win immediately.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Feb 26, 2012 5:13pm
Same. 6, 39, 70, and 1-32 next year vs. 4, 22, and 68?SportsAndLady;1096574 wrote:I'd take the Washington trade if I were St Louis
I don't see how the Browns offer is better even if you expect the Redskins to be a playoff team.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 26, 2012 5:14pm
5 yrs ago I would agree with this....but I think today's athlete is all about who offers the most ridiculous contract. Manning doesn't seem like a guy that is all about the money, but hell, I never thought Jim Thome was either...lol. We all know which owner in this league has the track record of overpaying by a lot...and his name is Dan Snyder. The only thing is...I have no idea what their cap situation is.IggyPride00;1096623 wrote:I think Arizona is going to emerge as a suitor for Manning. Very winnable division, play in a dome, good receivers, and a history with Warner of bringing in a veteran QB for a stretch run at the end of their career.
They seemed fairly underwhelmed with Kolb, so I think they would have no problem cutting him loose if it meant bringing Peyton to town.
I could be wrong, but I just don't see Peyton having the appetite for the NFC east with a Washington team that is really not that close right now. That is a tough and bruising division, not to mention he would play Eli twice a year.
The NFC west is a joke outside of SF, who is made great strides, but still isn't what I would call a world beater.
Peyton has about 2-3 years if he is healthy, so I see him going to the place that is most ready to win immediately.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 26, 2012 5:16pm
As COA pointed out, all this talk of these trades are just pure speculation. We still need to see where Flynn and Manning goes. Hell maybe even add Kolb to that list. After that, the teams without a QB might tell the Rams to go fuck themselves with their ridiculous deamands as they will realize they having a liking to QBs such as Weeden or Tannehill, and they wouldn't need to mortgage their future to get them.
I think that scenario is more likely to play out.
I think that scenario is more likely to play out.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 5:20pm
Hopefully this is what plays out. Having RG3 fall to 4 AND keeping 22? Six to midnight...like_that;1096641 wrote:As COA pointed out, all this talk of these trades are just pure speculation. We still need to see where Flynn and Manning goes. Hell maybe even add Kolb to that list. After that, the teams without a QB might tell the Rams to go fuck themselves with their ridiculous deamands as they will realize they having a liking to QBs such as Weeden or Tannehill, and they wouldn't need to mortgage their future to get them.
I think that scenario is more likely to play out.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 26, 2012 5:20pm
Money is always important, but at this point he desperately needs a second super bowl (especially now that Eli has a 2nd one) for his legacy.wes_mantooth;1096632 wrote:5 yrs ago I would agree with this....but I think today's athlete is all about who offers the most ridiculous contract. Manning doesn't seem like a guy that is all about the money, but hell, I never thought Jim Thome was either...lol. We all know which owner in this league has the track record of overpaying by a lot...and his name is Dan Snyder. The only thing is...I have no idea what their cap situation is.
I think more than anything the clearest path to getting there is going to be a consideration because he just doesn't have a lot of time. Money clearly is always a factor, but with Peyton I really think this is as much about Legacy as anything at this point.
I could be wrong, but the path to the playoffs is much easier in the NFC west than it is the AFC east. If you don't get to the playoffs, you don't even have a shot at a SB.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 26, 2012 5:22pm
I would love that as well.BR1986FB;1096655 wrote:Hopefully this is what plays out. Having RG3 fall to 4 AND keeping 22? Six to midnight...
Just don't think us Browns fans are lucky enough lol
I would also be cool with a LOT of scenarios this year, which is weird for me as I usually like 1 or 2 players with their first round pick, that's it. This team has so many holes, you can't really go wrong with any scenario this side of "trade everything to take RG3".
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 26, 2012 5:23pm
I won't dispute that...but I am jaded, I think it is always about the money now...lolIggyPride00;1096656 wrote:Money is always important, but at this point he desperately needs a second super bowl (especially now that Eli has a 2nd one) for his legacy.
I think more than anything the clearest path to getting there is going to be a consideration because he just doesn't have a lot of time. Money clearly is always a factor, but with Peyton I really think this is as much about Legacy as anything at this point.
I could be wrong, but the path to the playoffs is much easier in the NFC west than it is the AFC east. If you don't get to the playoffs, you don't even have a shot at a SB.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 26, 2012 5:23pm
Don't mind me. Playing dumb is second nature for me. Almost as if I don't even hafta try.like_that;1096465 wrote:SMH, you really haven't been comprehending anything being discussed in this thread. Just stick to your XC discussions with CCrunner.
I'm just being a goofball, dude.....yea, I'd trade the lot to get him but I'm not the decision maker.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Feb 26, 2012 5:27pm
St Louis could get immensely better in this draft without using theory pick. It's amazing.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 5:27pm
Agreed. It seems like every year they get some garbage win that keeps them from controlling their own destiny on a player that it seems they'd covet.SportsAndLady;1096666 wrote: Just don't think us Browns fans are lucky enough lol
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 26, 2012 5:28pm
It is.wes_mantooth;1096668 wrote:I won't dispute that...but I am jaded, I think it is always about the money now...lol
Except when baby brother has 2 rings to your 1 and you are supposed to be the greatest QB in NFL history. At that point I think you would trade any amount of money if it makes it easier for you to get another ring.
Then again, maybe I am not jaded enough.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 26, 2012 5:29pm
Would be great if Redskins go entirely for Peyton. Thing is, I don't think Rams want the #2 pick. Somebody will move ahead of the Browns to get him and are you sure the Vikings are sold on Ponder?wes_mantooth;1096573 wrote:Yeah, I think that is your perfect storm. The less bidders for rg3, the better off we are. I know you guys don't agree, but I honestly think that Washington is the only other realistic bidder...so with them gone, he can slide to 4.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Feb 26, 2012 5:31pm
Why wouldn't the Rams want the pick?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 26, 2012 5:31pm
I highly doubt Peyton is sitting there going "omg I gotta go to the best place to win a super bowl ring so I can have more than my little brother"IggyPride00;1096684 wrote:It is.
Except when baby brother has 2 rings to your 1 and you are supposed to be the greatest QB in NFL history. At that point I think you would trade any amount of money if it makes it easier for you to get another ring.
Then again, maybe I am not jaded enough.
Everyone...EVERYONE...knows Peyton is a better QB than Eli. Just because he has 1 less ring, doesn't mean a thing. You could MAYBE make the argument if Peyton has never won a ring, and Eli has. But Peyton has his ring. Everyone knows he's an all-time great QB, and better than his brother.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Feb 26, 2012 5:35pm
Yeah, I agree with this. The "gotta get another SB ring to be equal with lil bro" thing is a bit too "conspiracy theory" for my liking.SportsAndLady;1096691 wrote:I highly doubt Peyton is sitting there going "omg I gotta go to the best place to win a super bowl ring so I can have more than my little brother"
Everyone...EVERYONE...knows Peyton is a better QB than Eli. Just because he has 1 less ring, doesn't mean a thing. You could MAYBE make the argument if Peyton has never won a ring, and Eli has. But Peyton has his ring. Everyone knows he's an all-time great QB, and better than his brother.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 26, 2012 5:38pm
Good question.said_aouita;1096686 wrote:Would be great if Redskins go entirely for Peyton. Thing is, I don't think Rams want the #2 pick. Somebody will move ahead of the Browns to get him and are you sure the Vikings are sold on Ponder?
I heard some beat writer from the Vikings on WKNR the other day. He said that there was no way that they would give up on Ponder yet. He thought the organization was overall pretty happy with what they saw in his first year.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 26, 2012 5:49pm
It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.BR1986FB;1096705 wrote:Yeah, I agree with this. The "gotta get another SB ring to be equal with lil bro" thing is a bit too "conspiracy theory" for my liking.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 5:52pm
The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.IggyPride00;1096741 wrote:It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Feb 26, 2012 5:53pm
No Elway in the conversation?BR1986FB;1096749 wrote:The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Feb 26, 2012 5:54pm
Are you just talking out of your ass or what lolIggyPride00;1096741 wrote:It's not even so much about Eli as it is that winning a 2nd puts you in a much different class as a QB. Many have 1, 2 is a different level.
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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 6:03pm
Yeah, forgot about him.wes_mantooth;1096753 wrote:No Elway in the conversation?
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Feb 26, 2012 6:04pm
BR1986FB;1096749 wrote:The only QB that has multiple SB titles who I'd put at or above Manning is Tom Brady. That includes Joe Montana.
No doubt the minority but I'd even put Elway above Montana and neither are as good as Peyton. The three behind Peyton for me - Brady, Elway and then Montana.wes_mantooth;1096753 wrote:No Elway in the conversation?
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BR1986FB
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Feb 26, 2012 6:08pm
I have Brady up there only because he didn't have anywhere near the offensive weapons that Manning did. But conversely, Manning never had the defenses that Brady had behind him.said_aouita;1096813 wrote:No doubt the minority but I'd even put Elway above Montana and neither are as good as Peyton. The three behind Peyton for me - Brady, Elway and then Montana.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Feb 26, 2012 6:27pm
Are you trolling me or something? You seem kind of obsessed with me and my posts recently.SportsAndLady;1096754 wrote:Are you just talking out of your ass or what lol