I don't believe it's an act but it definitely gets old. I don't feel like it's a big deal to do interviews and promos for fights. I don't think they act like this because they aren't paaid enough though. You seem to know more than most on here do, how are they mistreated?

bigdaddy2003;1686083 wrote:I don't believe it's an act but it definitely gets old. I don't feel like it's a big deal to do interviews and promos for fights. I don't think they act like this because they aren't paaid enough though. You seem to know more than most on here do, how are they mistreated?

Nate makes 30K to show, he was ranked 5 before they removed him from the rankings and has big time wins in the most competitive and deepest division in the UFC. 30K to show is an absolute joke for someone who has 20 fights in the UFC and is one of the more exciting fighters in the sport and maybe the best draw in the division. This is all about money which he deserves a whole lot more of. I get tired of them complaining too but I also applaud that they have the balls to stand up to the UFC who can seemingly do whatever they want with no repercussions. If these fighters continue to say nothing and just go along with things nothing will change, maybe this pending lawsuit will change the game for good. I know he signed the deal but he said they pressured him into it with the promise that he could rework it at any time, more lies from Dana and the UFC.

robj55;1686086 wrote:Nate makes 30K to show, he was ranked 5 before they removed him from the rankings and has big time wins in the most competitive and deepest division in the UFC. 30K to show is an absolute joke for someone who has 20 fights in the UFC and is one of the more exciting fighters in the sport and maybe the best draw in the division. This is all about money which he deserves a whole lot more of. I get tired of them complaining too but I also applaud that they have the balls to stand up to the UFC who can seemingly do whatever they want with no repercussions. If these fighters continue to say nothing and just go along with things nothing will change, maybe this pending lawsuit will change the game for good. I know he signed the deal but he said they pressured him into it with the promise that he could rework it at any time, more lies from Dana and the UFC.

Who cares if he has a couple of good wins in the last 4 years? He has 1 win in his last 4 fights...

People get paid who sell the fights. It happens in every business. Professional athletes don't get paid the same. There's all kinds of "tiers" of payment across the professional sports realm. Basing money off of amount of fights is dumb -- Snowman would get paid millions. Heck, headline every card with Travis Fulton.

While Birdman may be an "exciting" basketball player, he won't command the same paycheck as Dwyane Wade. Those that get put butts in the seats will get their paychecks. I don't see why Nate should get more money. A self-imposed break, missing weight, and not much happening in the last 3-4 years...gotta earn the paycheck.

OSH;1686104 wrote:Who cares if he has a couple of good wins in the last 4 years? He has 1 win in his last 4 fights...

People get paid who sell the fights. It happens in every business. Professional athletes don't get paid the same. There's all kinds of "tiers" of payment across the professional sports realm. Basing money off of amount of fights is dumb -- Snowman would get paid millions. Heck, headline every card with Travis Fulton.

While Birdman may be an "exciting" basketball player, he won't command the same paycheck as Dwyane Wade. Those that get put butts in the seats will get their paychecks. I don't see why Nate should get more money. A self-imposed break, missing weight, and not much happening in the last 3-4 years...gotta earn the paycheck.

I understand that, he has been very inactive which has hurt him but there is no way that anyone can defend that pay. You can argue that he is the biggest draw in the division. He is a guy that fans want to see whether it's to see him win or to see him lose. You sound like a zuffa zombie with the things you are saying. You can't tell me a draw that has 20 UFC fights should be making 30K to show, that is a slap in the face not only to him but to the sport. Bisping has been mediocre his whole career and makes what like 400K at times to show, Nate has achieved more in his career and gets peanuts. He has had a tough go as of late but has also been facing nothing but top guys and he does have some good wins on his resume. I just think it is disrespectful to not only him but the entire roster. You are going to bring in a guy in CM Punk who has zero fights and going to pay him millions of dollars and you have Nate Diaz making 30K to show when he trains his ass off all year and has more than a decade in the sport, it's wrong flat out.

And I don't want to defend Nate too much, he needs to get back to competing regularly and stay focused and get back to winning and work his way back up. I think the time off may have taken his focus away from fighting. A fight with Diego Sanchez would be awesome imo and this is a good time to make it.

robj55;1686249 wrote:I understand that, he has been very inactive which has hurt him but there is no way that anyone can defend that pay. You can argue that he is the biggest draw in the division. He is a guy that fans want to see whether it's to see him win or to see him lose. You sound like a zuffa zombie with the things you are saying. You can't tell me a draw that has 20 UFC fights should be making 30K to show, that is a slap in the face not only to him but to the sport. Bisping has been mediocre his whole career and makes what like 400K at times to show, Nate has achieved more in his career and gets peanuts. He has had a tough go as of late but has also been facing nothing but top guys and he does have some good wins on his resume. I just think it is disrespectful to not only him but the entire roster. You are going to bring in a guy in CM Punk who has zero fights and going to pay him millions of dollars and you have Nate Diaz making 30K to show when he trains his ass off all year and has more than a decade in the sport, it's wrong flat out.

spoken like a true Diaz nuthugger.

Fighters get paid by how many people they put in the seats and how many PPVs they sell, period. Not how many fights or how many wins, or in Diaz's case how many times he has made an ass of himself. It's about money, period.

trust me, I hated the fact that Lesnar made more than Mir in his first fight, but that is the business. I hoped Lesnar lost every fight so he stopped selling tickets so his pay would come down with others. I probably will do the same with CM Punk.

Let's face it, Diaz isn't a huge draw anymore. People aren't going to buy a PPV just because he is on it anymore.

Nate beat the piss out of Cerrone and Maynard, he's no joke. He looked weak and pudgy to me in this fight and had no answer for the leg kicks and never got his boxing going. One thing I always thought about the Diaz brothers was they always fought a class too high. They always look like the weaker fighter IMO.

Nate needs to go over to the workout thread and read some advice on how not to be "skinny fat." He is a beast at 155 when healthy and focused, but that seems to be the exception anymore for him.

JDS did not look good at all by his standards. I hope the Cain fights haven't permanently turned him into that guy. How he continues to back up into the cage with his hands down is just baffling.

robj55;1686249 wrote:I understand that, he has been very inactive which has hurt him but there is no way that anyone can defend that pay. You can argue that he is the biggest draw in the division. He is a guy that fans want to see whether it's to see him win or to see him lose. You sound like a zuffa zombie with the things you are saying. You can't tell me a draw that has 20 UFC fights should be making 30K to show, that is a slap in the face not only to him but to the sport. Bisping has been mediocre his whole career and makes what like 400K at times to show, Nate has achieved more in his career and gets peanuts. He has had a tough go as of late but has also been facing nothing but top guys and he does have some good wins on his resume. I just think it is disrespectful to not only him but the entire roster. You are going to bring in a guy in CM Punk who has zero fights and going to pay him millions of dollars and you have Nate Diaz making 30K to show when he trains his ass off all year and has more than a decade in the sport, it's wrong flat out.

Diaz even stated he was out of shape, but he had to get paid. He complains about UFC signing CM Punk...but, yet he's touting he's a "pro" and fought unfit FOR THE MONEY. Straight from Diaz's mouth. That's terrible. If you deserve more money, don't show up to your job unfit, overweight, while also complaining about what other fighters are doing. Worry about your own business first, then maybe he'd have more to stand on.

There's a lot to this...

jmog;1686288 wrote:Fighters get paid by how many people they put in the seats and how many PPVs they sell, period. Not how many fights or how many wins, or in Diaz's case how many times he has made an ass of himself. It's about money, period.

trust me, I hated the fact that Lesnar made more than Mir in his first fight, but that is the business. I hoped Lesnar lost every fight so he stopped selling tickets so his pay would come down with others. I probably will do the same with CM Punk.

Let's face it, Diaz isn't a huge draw anymore. People aren't going to buy a PPV just because he is on it anymore.

Outside of the bolded/underlined part, definitely the case. I am a Lesnar fan, just think he's an amazing physical specimen who attracts wherever he is. It's crazy stuff. But, he's just a massive dude who will do whatever and be popular wherever he's at.

Raw Dawgin' it;1686302 wrote:Nate beat the piss out of Cerrone and Maynard, he's no joke. He looked weak and pudgy to me in this fight and had no answer for the leg kicks and never got his boxing going. One thing I always thought about the Diaz brothers was they always fought a class too high. They always look like the weaker fighter IMO.

He beat Maynard 13 months ago, which was a good win. He beat Cerrone in 2011...not good enough right now.

jmog;1686288 wrote:spoken like a true Diaz nuthugger.

Fighters get paid by how many people they put in the seats and how many PPVs they sell, period. Not how many fights or how many wins, or in Diaz's case how many times he has made an ass of himself. It's about money, period.

trust me, I hated the fact that Lesnar made more than Mir in his first fight, but that is the business. I hoped Lesnar lost every fight so he stopped selling tickets so his pay would come down with others. I probably will do the same with CM Punk.

Let's face it, Diaz isn't a huge draw anymore. People aren't going to buy a PPV just because he is on it anymore.

Yep I'm a Diaz nuthugger because I want a guy who has 20 fights in the UFC and more than 10 years in the sport to be compensated, makes sense. I would say the same thing about anyone else. Where is the proof that he isn't a draw? Nate vs Gray Maynard did 1.4 million viewers on Fox Sports 1 which struggles to draw viewers, for example Frankie Edgar vs Cub Swanson did 900K viewers. Nate vs Ben Henderson as a headliner peaked at over 5 million viewers and now the UFC FOX shows struggle to get 3 million viewers. You can't tell me that he doesn't draw and doesn't sell tickets, that's ridiculous.

Zoltan;1686390 wrote:Nate needs to go over to the workout thread and read some advice on how not to be "skinny fat." He is a beast at 155 when healthy and focused, but that seems to be the exception anymore for him.

JDS did not look good at all by his standards. I hope the Cain fights haven't permanently turned him into that guy. How he continues to back up into the cage with his hands down is just baffling.

He said he was injured but didn't pull out of the fight because he needed to get paid, he never looks that out of shape, he is normally ripped up with incredible cardio.

OSH;1686426 wrote:Diaz even stated he was out of shape, but he had to get paid. He complains about UFC signing CM Punk...but, yet he's touting he's a "pro" and fought unfit FOR THE MONEY. Straight from Diaz's mouth. That's terrible. If you deserve more money, don't show up to your job unfit, overweight, while also complaining about what other fighters are doing. Worry about your own business first, then maybe he'd have more to stand on.

There's a lot to this...



Outside of the bolded/underlined part, definitely the case. I am a Lesnar fan, just think he's an amazing physical specimen who attracts wherever he is. It's crazy stuff. But, he's just a massive dude who will do whatever and be popular wherever he's at.


He beat Maynard 13 months ago, which was a good win. He beat Cerrone in 2011...not good enough right now.

He hurt himself in more than one way by sitting out a year, obviously financially he had to fight and I respect that he didn't pull out but that certainly wasn't him in his best form. Nate can be his own worst enemy, the best thing he can do it just get back in there in the spring and get back to competing regularly and winning fights. I like him vs Diego Sanchez a lot.

robj55;1686447 wrote:He hurt himself in more than one way by sitting out a year, obviously financially he had to fight and I respect that he didn't pull out but that certainly wasn't him in his best form. Nate can be his own worst enemy, the best thing he can do it just get back in there in the spring and get back to competing regularly and winning fights. I like him vs Diego Sanchez a lot.

I doubt Nate would take that fight with Diego being a lower to middle tier lightweight these days. Diego hasn't had a legit win IMO since Paulo Thiago in 2010.

robj55;1686444 wrote:Yep I'm a Diaz nuthugger because I want a guy who has 20 fights in the UFC and more than 10 years in the sport to be compensated, makes sense. I would say the same thing about anyone else. Where is the proof that he isn't a draw? Nate vs Gray Maynard did 1.4 million viewers on Fox Sports 1 which struggles to draw viewers, for example Frankie Edgar vs Cub Swanson did 900K viewers. Nate vs Ben Henderson as a headliner peaked at over 5 million viewers and now the UFC FOX shows struggle to get 3 million viewers. You can't tell me that he doesn't draw and doesn't sell tickets, that's ridiculous.

Nick Diaz recent reported payouts (does not include PPV buy bonuses, etc)

UFC 137-$275,000 (FOTN bonus included)
UFC 143-$200,000
UFC 158-$200,000 (GSP was only $400,000)

I don't think fighter payroll has been disclosed for the recent UFC Fight Night, but I am willing to be wrong.

Bottom line is that Diaz, unless I missed a significant pay cut from his old $200k, is making MUCH more than the $30k previously stated in this thread.

jmog;1686462 wrote:Nick Diaz recent reported payouts (does not include PPV buy bonuses, etc)

UFC 137-$275,000 (FOTN bonus included)
UFC 143-$200,000
UFC 158-$200,000 (GSP was only $400,000)



I don't think fighter payroll has been disclosed for the recent UFC Fight Night, but I am willing to be wrong.

Bottom line is that Diaz, unless I missed a significant pay cut from his old $200k, is making MUCH more than the $30k previously stated in this thread.

That is Nick, this thread is taking about Nate.

My bad, I thought you were complaining about Nick Diaz's pay. I misread and saw you were complaining about Nate Diaz's pay.

Nate Diaz does NOT have the "significant wins" type of pull to get big money like his brother did. He didn't elevate himself to the upper tier after his base contract from TUF was up and got pretty much the exact same contract as his TUF contract.

His last few fights...

Got drilled by Benson Henderson in Dec 2012, fight wasn't close.
Got drilled by Josh Thompson in Apr 2013, fight was so bad Nick Diaz threw in the towel.
Beat Gray Maynard (who hasn't in the last few years) in Nov 2013.
Got the crap kicked out of him the other night by Rafael Dos Anjos.

What exactly has he done to show he deserves big time money? His brother has had big wins and got people in the seats, he has not.

Zoltan;1686458 wrote:I doubt Nate would take that fight with Diego being a lower to middle tier lightweight these days. Diego hasn't had a legit win IMO since Paulo Thiago in 2010.

Yeah but it is a good match up and a fight fans have wanted for a while. Diego hasn't looked great in a while but I think it would be a war and something that may reignite Nate's passion for the sport. Plus there is the revenge factor with his brother.

Zoltan;1686466 wrote:That is Nick, this thread is taking about Nate.

Yeah there is no doubt Nick has made a ton of money, made a few million from the GSP fight and will make a shit ton from the Anderson Silva fight.

jmog;1686467 wrote:My bad, I thought you were complaining about Nick Diaz's pay. I misread and saw you were complaining about Nate Diaz's pay.

Nate Diaz does NOT have the "significant wins" type of pull to get big money like his brother did. He didn't elevate himself to the upper tier after his base contract from TUF was up and got pretty much the exact same contract as his TUF contract.

His last few fights...

Got drilled by Benson Henderson in Dec 2012, fight wasn't close.
Got drilled by Josh Thompson in Apr 2013, fight was so bad Nick Diaz threw in the towel.
Beat Gray Maynard (who hasn't in the last few years) in Nov 2013.
Got the crap kicked out of him the other night by Rafael Dos Anjos.

What exactly has he done to show he deserves big time money? His brother has had big wins and got people in the seats, he has not.

Well before that he smashed Gomi, Cerrone and Jim Miller. The contract he signed recently was before the Ben Henderson fight, so coming off those three great wins. So the UFC offered him 30 K to show and 30K to win coming off two top ten wins and getting ready to fight for a world title, that is a problem. Some of the blame must go to Mike Kogan though, Nate's manager, dude is an idiot and didn't do is job. The point is that the UFC has lowballed a lot of fighters, it's not just Nate.

Best thing Nate can do really is to fight out this contract, win some big fights and put a streak together and try and leverage from that stand point when the contract is up. I know Bellator would throw him big money so maybe do what Gil Melendez did and make them bargain over him.

robj55;1685910 wrote:Love how everyone says they are tired of their act, it's not an act it's how they are. You guys just want these cookie cutter wrestler boxers who are unoriginal and won't speak up when they are mistreated and underpaid.

I have no problems with outgoing athletes who aren't afraid to speak their mind. I don't understand the popularity of guys who essentially portray themselves in the same way that dudes on COPS act shortly before taking off on a short sprint from the cops. Trailer trash meth-head types generally, to me, rank in the "why do people even put a mic in front of them other than to 'pro wrestling' up MMA?" category more than anything else.

Heretic;1686481 wrote:I have no problems with outgoing athletes who aren't afraid to speak their mind. I don't understand the popularity of guys who essentially portray themselves in the same way that dudes on COPS act shortly before taking off on a short sprint from the cops. Trailer trash meth-head types generally, to me, rank in the "why do people even put a mic in front of them other than to 'pro wrestling' up MMA?" category more than anything else.

I think MMA needs heels and bad boys as much as wrestling does, it keeps things original and fresh. I hate hearing these pc answers from everyone all the time, I respect someone who speaks their mind and I think Nate was dead on with all the comments he made this week. Is it going to change anything? Probably not but it's a start I suppose.

robj55;1686483 wrote:I think MMA needs heels and bad boys as much as wrestling does, it keeps things original and fresh. I hate hearing these pc answers from everyone all the time, I respect someone who speaks their mind and I think Nate was dead on with all the comments he made this week. Is it going to change anything? Probably not but it's a start I suppose.

I agree with that to a point (I think it'd be better to draw in the casual fan, but I think it also dumbs down the sport in general and makes it look like semi-legit pro wrestling to a degree). I think Dana's bi-polar when it comes to that stuff, though. I remember when Brock Lesnar was in the early stages of his career and "cut an promo" or something after a fight and Dana was all on the "this is real, not sports entertainment!!!!" stuff. And now he's signing former pro wrestlers with no real MMA training

robj55;1686483 wrote:I think MMA needs heels and bad boys as much as wrestling does, it keeps things original and fresh. I hate hearing these pc answers from everyone all the time, I respect someone who speaks their mind and I think Nate was dead on with all the comments he made this week. Is it going to change anything? Probably not but it's a start I suppose.

I think he nailed it talking about CM Punk. All of us here have the same credentials as him. I don't even think he has an amateur fight record.

Raw Dawgin' it;1686509 wrote:I think he nailed it talking about CM Punk. All of us here have the same credentials as him. I don't even think he has an amateur fight record.

He doesn't, and he is going to make more than 95% of the roster. Before anyone says it, I understand that is simple economics, supply and demand. People will pay for this sideshow. Mr issue is with fighter pay overall as a whole.