I'd prefer either there were no rankings, or that the current rankings were moved into the more objective category rather than the current subjective nature being paraded as objective.DeyDurkie5;1056654 wrote:My question would be why do you care about the ranking's of schools?
If your school helps you get a good job, and it creates so many years of happiness, that's all that matters.sleeper;1056657 wrote:I'd prefer either there were no rankings, or that the current rankings were moved into the more objective category rather than the current subjective nature being paraded as objective.
I really don't "care", just annoyed I suppose.
Sadly, a lot of people are duped into going to a "bad" school, taking a useless major, not finding a job, and then blaming the rich all because they were told how great a school's sociology program is by people who don't give a shit about them.DeyDurkie5;1056668 wrote:If your school helps you get a good job, and it creates so many years of happiness, that's all that matters.
LOL i agree...people go to school, get a shitty degree, and then blame other people because of their choices. It's funny, but fuck college rankings.sleeper;1056679 wrote:Sadly, a lot of people are duped into going to a "bad" school, taking a useless major, not finding a job, and then blaming the rich all because they were told how great a school's sociology program is by people who don't give a shit about them.
I like Akron. Any kind of drug I'm in the mood for is always easily accessible.sleeper;1056090 wrote:And chances are they don't really like Akron, they just couldn't get in anywhere else. They will tell you otherwise, but its all bullshit and is just a deflection from having to face the mediocrity of their life.
I majored in a sociology-based major and got a good job.rmolin73;1056686 wrote:That's their first mistake majoring in sociology!
In my industry (law), it's where you go and how you do that matters. We hire from 14 national schools and then whatever the top regional school is in our market. We have firm grade/class rank cutoffs at each school. This is how every top law firm hires, and it's a system that seems to work. We don't interview someone from a school outside of our feeder schools, period.Sonofanump;1056492 wrote:Does this really exist? I'd think if you could get an interview, you have just as much chance at the job as a Kent, Toledo or Akron grad as you would as a OSU, UM or Northwestern grad if you impress with the interview. It's not where you go, it's what you get out of it.
TRUTHsleeper;1056679 wrote:Sadly, a lot of people are duped into going to a "bad" school, taking a useless major, not finding a job, and then blaming the rich all because they were told how great a school's sociology program is by people who don't give a **** about them.
OK, so your employer in your industry is one of the few exceptions and those going from undergraduate to law school would be aware that the law school name does have the prestige for this type of employment. Would it matter where the undergrad is from or just the law school.fan_from_texas;1056949 wrote:In my industry (law)
Undergrad doesn't really matter.Sonofanump;1057076 wrote:OK, so your employer in your industry is one of the few exceptions and those going from undergraduate to law school would be aware that the law school name does have the prestige for this type of employment. Would it matter where the undergrad is from or just the law school.
Propsective college students willing to fork over six-figures are fucking dumb.fan_from_texas;1057097 wrote: Prospective college students should have some sort of idea about this before forking over six figures to go to school
Tuition plus living expenses at many schools are probably north of $25,000/yr.dlazz;1057106 wrote:Propsective college students willing to fork over six-figures are ****ing dumb.
Wouldn't they be "forking" dumb?dlazz;1057106 wrote:Propsective college students willing to fork over six-figures are fucking dumb.
That's the biggest problem with kids entering college. They rely on the guidance counselors who know nothing. They are lousy -- not all, but most. There are so many resources out there in choosing schools, it just takes time and effort to do the research. Not many want to do that.fan_from_texas;1057097 wrote:Undergrad doesn't really matter.
I suspect there are huge variations across industries, with a general rule that the more selective/lucrative the profession, the more the school rank matters. I don't think Target has hard-and-fast school rank and class rank cut-offs when it's hiring middle management trainees, but I'm certain that Goldman Sachs does.
My point, I guess, is that in some industries, the name/rank of your school is about the only thing that matters, while in others, it doesn't matter at all. Prospective college students should have some sort of idea about this before forking over six figures to go to school, and high school guidance counselors are (anecdotally) far too often providing advice that was true 15 years ago but may not be true today.
The only exception is if the undergrad is the same school that a very high ranking partner graduated from and there is some connection. Anecdotally, at my last firm there were a couple of guys that were hired that graduated from undergrad at Hampden-Sydney. My guess that is because the CEO of the firm graduated from there undergrad, but this was also in 2006 and when we hired 50 summer associates a year. In 2011 unless you went to law school at William & Mary or University of Virginia (or in the top 5, not top 5% but top 5 at University of Richmond) you aren't getting hired or even interviewed. Hiring has decreased by about 80% at this firm and they aren't taking the time to even review resumes from Harvard, Penn, NYU, etc. when they have 500 applicants for every position. They haven't hired a lateral associate since mid '09 (and that didn't work out since the partner left after a few months).Sonofanump;1057076 wrote:OK, so your employer in your industry is one of the few exceptions and those going from undergraduate to law school would be aware that the law school name does have the prestige for this type of employment. Would it matter where the undergrad is from or just the law school.
If FFT's firm is only hiring 5-10 summers a year, that's in line with my experience, about an 80% reduction since '05 or '06.I Wear Pants;1058378 wrote:Yeah I've heard law school is probably a bad idea right now.
I'm saying your school is a shitty one, and only the best in the county.dlazz;1055809 wrote:That would make it best school in the county by default.
Use your head.
I like how you misspelled St. Francis, St. John's, and Libbey. I get the Franny part, but Jesus Christ durrrrrkie.ernest_t_bass;1056791 wrote:I'll hire a St. Franny or St. Johns grad over a Libby grad 100% of the time, and you can take that to the bank.
