2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

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BR1986FB
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Mar 1, 2012 5:22am
Pick6;1101604 wrote:just because he doesnt have shit to throw to that can get open doesnt mean he cant throw a deep ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSlzVrVgh8
Can play this ALL day (can't read a defense, piss poor decisions). Just throws it up for grabs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIikPFuHTP4
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Mar 1, 2012 6:56am
Pick6;1101604 wrote:just because he doesnt have shit to throw to that can get open doesnt mean he cant throw a deep ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfSlzVrVgh8
Ryan Leaf was good in College too.

Hope this helps.
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Mar 1, 2012 7:37am
When do they announce Wonderlic scores?
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BR1986FB
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Mar 1, 2012 7:38am
Skyhook79;1101630 wrote:Ryan Leaf was good in College too.

Hope this helps.
Yeah, thought about that after I posted and was headed for work. College and the pros are a BIG difference. WR's running wide open and free ALL day long. Doesn't happen in the pros. Have to be able to anticipate and throw into windows. Also have to lead receivers, in stride, on a deep ball, not make them sit and wait.

Now it's very possible that RG3 has similar issues (anticipation, etc) but I doubt he'll have issues fitting the ball into windows or throwing it deep.

That being said, the more & more the days go on, the less & less I think he (Griffin) ends up a Brown. I don't think it will be for lack of trying. I just think that WASH is ready to outbid anyone, at any cost. My worst nightmare is that we are going to be STUCK watching Linguini Arm under center another year.
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Mar 1, 2012 7:51am
BR1986FB;1101642 wrote:Yeah, thought about that after I posted and was headed for work. College and the pros are a BIG difference. WR's running wide open and free ALL day long. Doesn't happen in the pros. Have to be able to anticipate and throw into windows. Also have to lead receivers, in stride, on a deep ball, not make them sit and wait.

Now it's very possible that RG3 has similar issues (anticipation, etc) but I doubt he'll have issues fitting the ball into windows or throwing it deep.

That being said, the more & more the days go on, the less & less I think he (Griffin) ends up a Brown. I don't think it will be for lack of trying. I just think that WASH is ready to outbid anyone, at any cost. My worst nightmare is that we are going to be STUCK watching Linguini Arm under center another year.
I am really against drafting a QB that high, not too many have panned out. I would much rather spend some money on a Free agent and draft a QB in the later rounds. Matt Flynn could be that guy.

http://www.totalpackers.com/2012/02/24/matt-flynn-update-browns-franchise-tag-in-play/
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Mar 1, 2012 7:52am
I'm just skeptical that Flynn will be much of an upgrade over McCoy.
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Mar 1, 2012 7:53am
BR1986FB;1101620 wrote:Can play this ALL day (can't read a defense, piss poor decisions). Just throws it up for grabs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIikPFuHTP4
With this one, at least a WR was right there. Still a horrible throw, but McCoy made worse throughout the season lol.
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Mar 1, 2012 7:54am
BR1986FB;1101650 wrote:I'm just skeptical that Flynn will be much of an upgrade over McCoy.
So are most people I believe. While I think Flynn has better anticipatory throws and accuracy, he still lacks the physical skills required (IMO) to be successful in the AFC north.
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Mar 1, 2012 7:56am
BR1986FB;1101650 wrote:I'm just skeptical that Flynn will be much of an upgrade over McCoy.
Green Bay has had a pretty good track record with back-ups coming in and doing very well in the NFL.

Majikowski/Favre/Rodgers/Flynn????

I think it's worth a shot.
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Mar 1, 2012 8:04am
I don't want someone that, when surrounded by weapons, might get the team to 8-8, 9-7. No guaranteeing that Griffin is that guy but I'd rather have someone in there that gives the fans hope.

I wouldn't expect RG3 to light it up in his first year but by year 2 he'd better know what he's doing.

For all of those saying "if RG3 busts it will set the franchise back" (bullshit because they are already ROCK BOTTOM), I say that "staying the course with McCoy" will, in their terminology, "set the franchise back at least 2 years." Reason being, you surround McCoy with weapons, he inevitably shows he's not "the guy" which leaves you drafting another QB in 2013 (unless they grab a rookie this year and he starts the second half of the season). Well, if that guy is the starter in 2013, he's likely not going to light it up as a rookie and you're looking at 2014 before you have progress at the position.

I'd rather bite the bullet, let a rookie take his lumps THIS year, and be ready to go in 2013.
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Mar 1, 2012 8:08am
SportsAndLady;1101498 wrote:Why would I find proof of something you're saying I said?

LOL
lol you are such an idiot! you just told me to find proof of your shit. QQ thats what i thought. stop trolling and go back in your hole. your agruements are weak and stupid.
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Mar 1, 2012 8:12am
Skyhook79;1101329 wrote:Because like_that likes to stick his nose in where it doesn't belong.
Like you sticking your nose in a thread where you don't belong?

Note: It's this thread. I just wanted to clarify so it didn't go over your head.
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Mar 1, 2012 8:13am
shook_17;1101670 wrote:lol you are such an idiot! you just told me to find proof of your shit. QQ thats what i thought. stop trolling and go back in your hole. your agruements are weak and stupid.
If the Browns were doing well, would there be this much fighting between us fans?
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Mar 1, 2012 8:17am
Skyhook79;1101649 wrote:I am really against drafting a QB that high, not too many have panned out. I would much rather spend some money on a Free agent and draft a QB in the later rounds.
Blasphemy!


like_that;1101676 wrote:If the Browns were doing well, would there be this much fighting between us fans?

They sure the heck would not be in the running for rgiii if they were any good.
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Mar 1, 2012 8:25am
said_hook;1101678 wrote: They sure the heck would not be in the running for rgiii if they were any good.
You think?
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Mar 1, 2012 9:06am
like_obvious;1101691 wrote:You think?
Try not to.
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Mar 1, 2012 9:13am
said_hook;1101739 wrote:Try not to.
Not surprised the sarcasm went over your head. Aren't you a Bengals fan? Why don't you dig up the Bengals thread that is probably on page 30 by now, and start discussing your team?
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Mar 1, 2012 9:21am
like_that;1101757 wrote:Not surprised the sarcasm went over your head. Aren't you a Bengals fan? Why don't you dig up the Bengals thread that is probably on page 30 by now, and start discussing your team?
Because you can only post on Browns threads if you are either from Cleveland or live in Cleveland or have other close ties that are approved by like_that.

/like_that'ed
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Mar 1, 2012 9:25am
Skyhook79;1101767 wrote:Because you can only post on Browns threads if you are either from Cleveland or live in Cleveland or have other close ties that are approved by like_that.

/like_that'ed
Or if you are not a douche bag troll. Pretty simple criteria to be honest. It's pathetic you can't meet any of it.
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Mar 1, 2012 9:32am
BR1986FB;1101620 wrote:Can play this ALL day (can't read a defense, piss poor decisions). Just throws it up for grabs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIikPFuHTP4
I didnt start this. Shook said "McCoy cant complete a pass down field and you know it". I posted a link and proved him wrong. I never McCoy doesnt make bad decisions, or has trouble reading defenses(which all young QBs in the NFl have to adjust to).
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Mar 1, 2012 9:42am
like_that;1101757 wrote:Not surprised the sarcasm went over your head. Aren't you a Bengals fan? Why don't you dig up the Bengals thread that is probably on page 30 by now, and start discussing your team?
I'm a band wagon jumper. Really don't have one specific NFL team. Pretty much what ever NFL team catches my interest.
Don't remember ever claiming to be a Bengals fans, although I have commented my dislike for their owner.

As for teams I like- Green Bay. Was born in Milwaukee. grew up watching Favre. Also like the idea of a community owned team. Enjoyed watching Indy with Manning as QB. Even more so when gonzo was catching the ball. I watch St Louis, too. Quite a few tOSU players on that team.
Always said my favorite NFL player was Robert Smith.

like_that;1101769 wrote:Or if you are not a douche bag troll. Pretty simple criteria to be honest. It's pathetic you can't meet any of it.
Ever consider decaf?
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Mar 1, 2012 10:05am
said_aouita;1101780 wrote:I'm a band wagon jumper. Really don't have one specific NFL team. Pretty much what ever NFL team catches my interest.
Don't remember ever claiming to be a Bengals fans, although I have commented my dislike for their owner.

As for teams I like- Green Bay. Was born in Milwaukee. grew up watching Favre. Also like the idea of a community owned team. Enjoyed watching Indy with Manning as QB. Even more so when gonzo was catching the ball. I watch St Louis, too. Quite a few tOSU players on that team.
Always said my favorite NFL player was Robert Smith.




Ever consider decaf?

Don't drink coffee. Continue being skyhook though.
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Mar 1, 2012 10:30am
shook_17;1101670 wrote:lol you are such an idiot! you just told me to find proof of your shit. QQ thats what i thought. stop trolling and go back in your hole. your agruements are weak and stupid.
Lol you're not the most intelligent of Browns fans, I see.

You asked me to give you proof of something I said. I first asked you to give me a link, then you come back and say give you a link lol why the fuck would I do that?
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Mar 1, 2012 10:31am
BR1986FB;1101665 wrote:(bullshit because they are already ROCK BOTTOM)
Are they rock bottom, BR? Or are they ROCK BOTTOM?
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Mar 1, 2012 10:35am
Mike Wallace will not be franchised by the Steelers.