wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 20, 2012 12:23pm
Commander of Awesome;1148792 wrote:No, I dont think he's a scheme fit. He really thrives in a zone defense, not a great tackler, older, and costs a lot of money. We play a ton of man coverage here and Samuel doesn't play as well in that fit which is why he's being traded from Philly.
Agreed. Not a good fit
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 20, 2012 12:44pm
Derek Wolfe would be a great pick in the 4th- 5th round. A very under rated player
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 20, 2012 12:48pm
Minnifield now to be a possible later round/UDFA pick after micro-fracture surgery?
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6265
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6265
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 20, 2012 12:51pm
Thank youCommander of Awesome;1148741 wrote:Wright will not be available in the 3rd. That is just ridiculous.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 20, 2012 1:48pm
Sigh. I was going to put effort into a response but you simply don't get it.Skyhook79;1148586 wrote:Please list all the WR's from ND who came out in the draft in the last 15 years that amounted to anything in the NFL?
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Apr 20, 2012 2:20pm
Makes sense, pretty sure Tony Grossi was pre-ripped the Browns last week for not taking him because they didn't take Mathews a couple years ago.BR1986FB;1148831 wrote:Minnifield now to be a possible later round/UDFA pick after micro-fracture surgery?
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6265
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 20, 2012 2:23pm
Grossi's such an idiot. That's failhook logic even I saw it.bases_loaded;1148938 wrote:Makes sense, pretty sure Tony Grossi was pre-ripped the Browns last week for not taking him because they didn't take Mathews a couple years ago.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 20, 2012 2:31pm
Commander of Awesome;1148941 wrote:Grossi's such an idiot. That's failhook logic even I saw it.
I like that he is touted as an insider....like anyone in the browns organization would have anything to do with him after that twitter fiasco.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 20, 2012 2:34pm
What I found odd was that I read an interview with Frank Minnifield asking whether he would like his son to play for the Browns. He said something to the effect of "it would be bittersweet. On the one hand, Cleveland is a great place but on the other I have my 'haters/detractors' in Cleveland and I wouldn't want to subject him to that."bases_loaded;1148938 wrote:Makes sense, pretty sure Tony Grossi was pre-ripped the Browns last week for not taking him because they didn't take Mathews a couple years ago.
Now my question is...doesn't anyone know a person who hates Mighty Minni? I don't.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 20, 2012 2:35pm
What kills me is that about 90% of the guys on the OBR think he's a "kinder, gentler Tony Grossi" since he went to KNR. When I read his stuff he still comes off as a condescending prick to me.wes_mantooth;1148947 wrote:I like that he is touted as an insider....like anyone in the browns organization would have anything to do with him after that twitter fiasco.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 20, 2012 3:25pm
I agree third round is a stretch, but he may very well be available at 37. Sorry just posting what I read. Here's the post below:Commander of Awesome;1148741 wrote:Wright will not be available in the 3rd. That is just ridiculous.
Kendall Wright - WR - Player
According to Pro Football Weekly, Baylor WR Kendall Wright is "parked in the third round" on a number of teams' draft boards after an unimpressive offseason.
There were rumors of an offseason weight gain for Wright, and his forty time at the Combine was slower than anticipated. "Randall Cobb was a lot better," one NFL evaluator said. "Wright is nowhere near as good with the ball in his hands and (Cobb) lasted 'til the back of the second (round). People are getting snookered (by Wright)." Wright managed only four bench-press reps, and Pro Football Weekly reports his body fat was 16 percent. Per PFW, it's "one of the highest percentages for a receiver in the past decade."
Source: Pro Football Weekly
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 20, 2012 3:55pm
^^ see that shit pisses me off. how is it right after the season he is highly touted wide out this year. and now all of a sudden he is "parked in the third round" watch the film, it doesnt lie. the dude can play.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 20, 2012 3:58pm
shook_17;1149030 wrote:^^ see that shit pisses me off. how is it right after the season he is highly touted wide out this year. and now all of a sudden he is "parked in the third round" watch the film, it doesnt lie. the dude can play.
True, but on the flip side....he knew combine was coming up and he got lazy and fat.....
Same thing with Mike Adams....you know you are going to get tested, yet you keep puffing away...
I don't get how these athletes can't focus and train when they know a ton of money is involved
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 20, 2012 3:58pm
shook_17;1149030 wrote:^^ see that shit pisses me off. how is it right after the season he is highly touted wide out this year. and now all of a sudden he is "parked in the third round" watch the film, it doesnt lie. the dude can play.
read what the post is, and you will see why...
There were rumors of an offseason weight gain for Wright, and his forty time at the Combine was slower than anticipated. "Randall Cobb was a lot better," one NFL evaluator said. "Wright is nowhere near as good with the ball in his hands and (Cobb) lasted 'til the back of the second (round). People are getting snookered (by Wright)." Wright managed only four bench-press reps, and Pro Football Weekly reports his body fat was 16 percent. Per PFW, it's "one of the highest percentages for a receiver in the past decade."
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 20, 2012 4:44pm
lhslep134;1148896 wrote:Sigh. I was going to put effort into a response but you simply don't get it.
I think you are the one that doesn't get it.:rolleyes:
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Apr 20, 2012 6:42pm
Wright will not make it out of the first round. He ran in the 4.4's at his pro day, and "the ball isn't heavy" so the reps on a bench does not matter that much. People put too much stock into this media hype since the season, but 90% of it comes down to the tape, and his film doesn't lie.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Apr 20, 2012 7:06pm
I would love to see someone that went in-depth about how mock drafts looked right after the season, to the actual draft and late mock drafts, and see which is more accurate on projecting players. So many guys either move up because of great combines or move down due to bad performances, so it would be interesting to me to see if most of the effects of the combine/tryouts were actually accurate in evaluating the players.shook_17;1149030 wrote:^^ see that **** pisses me off. how is it right after the season he is highly touted wide out this year. and now all of a sudden he is "parked in the third round" watch the film, it doesnt lie. the dude can play.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Apr 20, 2012 10:03pm
Minny and Top Dog were quite a pair. Browns were great entertainment during that era. Oz, Mack, Byner and Bernie...with weapons like Langhorn, Brennan, Webster and the ice cube. Great football team that fell a little short 3 years.BR1986FB;1148950 wrote:What I found odd was that I read an interview with Frank Minnifield asking whether he would like his son to play for the Browns. He said something to the effect of "it would be bittersweet. On the one hand, Cleveland is a great place but on the other I have my 'haters/detractors' in Cleveland and I wouldn't want to subject him to that."
Now my question is...doesn't anyone know a person who hates Mighty Minni? I don't.
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Apr 20, 2012 10:05pm
I have been saying all along that Chris Givens is the sleeper of the draft. I think he is a game changer. Also I would love to get Minnifield with a late pick. I think he is worth a 3rd rounder personally but I dont think he will be drafted till round 5
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Apr 20, 2012 10:06pm
I've changed my mind...take Richardson at 4. He's the next Ray Rice only stronger and a little faster. Then....please....try to get a wide receiver....and another sleeper wide receiver in the later rounds.
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 20, 2012 10:44pm
Stephon Gilmore - DB - Player
NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reported on Path to the Draft Friday night that the Jaguars have a higher grade on Stephon Gilmore than Morris Claiborne.
NFL Films' Greg Cosell also stated in a Friday radio interview that Gilmore is a better prospect than Claiborne, the 2011 Thorpe Award winner. "He's a hot guy," Lombardi said of Gilmore. "I was told Jacksonville actually likes him more than Claiborne." Lombardi also sent Gilmore to the Jags in his latest mock draft. At this point, we'd be surprised if Gilmore got out of the top-ten picks, and No. 7 seems his likeliest destination.
Related: Jaguars
Stephon Gilmore - DB - Player
"Several personnel sources" tell The Sideline View's Adam Caplan that South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore is a realistic candidate to be drafted in the top ten.
Caplan is one of the most plugged-in reporters in the nation, and SI's Peter King, Dan Pompei of the National Football Post, and NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Mike Lombardi have all recently either reported or suggested that Gilmore is top-ten material. In Caplan's mock draft -- accessible at the link below -- he has Gilmore going to Buffalo with the tenth overall pick.
NFL Network's Mike Lombardi reported on Path to the Draft Friday night that the Jaguars have a higher grade on Stephon Gilmore than Morris Claiborne.
NFL Films' Greg Cosell also stated in a Friday radio interview that Gilmore is a better prospect than Claiborne, the 2011 Thorpe Award winner. "He's a hot guy," Lombardi said of Gilmore. "I was told Jacksonville actually likes him more than Claiborne." Lombardi also sent Gilmore to the Jags in his latest mock draft. At this point, we'd be surprised if Gilmore got out of the top-ten picks, and No. 7 seems his likeliest destination.
Related: Jaguars
Stephon Gilmore - DB - Player
"Several personnel sources" tell The Sideline View's Adam Caplan that South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore is a realistic candidate to be drafted in the top ten.
Caplan is one of the most plugged-in reporters in the nation, and SI's Peter King, Dan Pompei of the National Football Post, and NFL Network's Mike Mayock and Mike Lombardi have all recently either reported or suggested that Gilmore is top-ten material. In Caplan's mock draft -- accessible at the link below -- he has Gilmore going to Buffalo with the tenth overall pick.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 21, 2012 9:54am
That's funny because I'm starting to change my tune on wanting Richardson at 4 as we get closer to the draft. After what the Browns did to Mendenhall last year I'm a bit iffy on using a #4 pick on a guy that you may get 4-5 solid years out of. This being said, it leaves me in a quandry because I wouldn't know what to do. Pretty much leaves Claiborne but I'm still hoping for a trade down.Footwedge;1149155 wrote:I've changed my mind...take Richardson at 4. He's the next Ray Rice only stronger and a little faster. Then....please....try to get a wide receiver....and another sleeper wide receiver in the later rounds.
For those who don't want Weeden for all of this "they reallly like me and have shown a lot of interest" talk, you can probably book it that they now WON'T take him...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/04/post_124.html
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 21, 2012 10:13am
I am absolutely fine with Richardson at 4. I am still hoping for a miracle and they draft him and then move up to 7 for Floyd. I absolutely love Blackmon, but I see no way that they draft him...at all.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 21, 2012 10:18am
I remember a point was brought up way back in this thread...when is the last time a top pick running back led his team to a super bowl??
Just something to think about.
Just something to think about.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 21, 2012 10:21am
No doubt, but you have to draft needs and there isn't a superbowl leading qb available unless Indy trades the 1st pick.Pick6;1149277 wrote:I remember a point was brought up way back in this thread...when is the last time a top pick running back led his team to a super bowl??
Just something to think about.