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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 19, 2012 7:26pm
Not really. I agree that they need offense but when the GM (see Phil Savage trading up for Brady Quinn) starts listening to fans, they are soon sitting with Bradshaw & Mushmouth (Shannon Sharpe) doing analysis on Sunday's.IggyPride00;1148250 wrote:They should care.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 19, 2012 7:26pm
yea it sucks there isn't a mario williams type DE or a clay mathews type LB. it figures when we have a top 5 pick there wouldn't be an absolute stud on DE or LBwes_mantooth;1148248 wrote:Thing is....Claiborne doesn't do that....be nice if there was that Mario Williams type player in this draft
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Buckeye12
Posts: 3
Apr 19, 2012 7:28pm
You're from genoa? you must be a choad...shook_17;1148254 wrote:yea it sucks there isn't a mario williams type DE or a clay mathews type LB. it figures when we have a top 5 pick there wouldn't be an absolute stud on DE or LB
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 19, 2012 7:31pm
That's why I'm completely comfortable trading down, I like T-Rich but none of the guys that will be available at 4 smack of "gotta have" to me. Would rather get another 2nd (or two or a 2nd and a 1st next year) and either use that 2nd or use it to trade back up for a third 1st.shook_17;1148254 wrote:yea it sucks there isn't a mario williams type DE or a clay mathews type LB. it figures when we have a top 5 pick there wouldn't be an absolute stud on DE or LB
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 19, 2012 7:40pm
lol geeez. thanks. you fucking douche bag. except i graduated in 09. nice failBuckeye12;1148256 wrote:You're from genoa? you must be a choad...
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 19, 2012 7:41pm
if they went defense with 3 of the 4 first picks, imagine how sweet our defense would be lol. Claiborne, DE/LB 22 then DE/LB 37. who would need an offense? haBR1986FB;1148257 wrote:That's why I'm completely comfortable trading down, I like T-Rich but none of the guys that will be available at 4 smack of "gotta have" to me. Would rather get another 2nd (or two or a 2nd and a 1st next year) and either use that 2nd or use it to trade back up for a third 1st.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 19, 2012 7:45pm
Believe me, they would. Dawson's leg would fall off by season's end if they didn't get SOMETHING for this offense.shook_17;1148262 wrote: who would need an offense? ha
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zach24oz
Posts: 598
Apr 19, 2012 7:47pm
If they somehow did take Claiborne with their first pick, why couldnt' they trade up from their second 1st round pick and take a good offensive player? But I think that a lot of the wrs arent that far apart from each other. Floyd, Wright and maybe even Hill would be just as good as Blackmon IMO and I think Ruben Randel will be good. But I think they end up going for Richardson, the best WR/OT and which ever they didnt get with their second pick,in the second round.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 19, 2012 7:50pm
hill scares me at 22 because he is so raw. only 40 receptions, id really like wright at 22.
wright, evan moore, little, and norwood, maybe with t rich in the backfield would look pretty good. then get our stud qb in the 13 draft and we are in business
wright, evan moore, little, and norwood, maybe with t rich in the backfield would look pretty good. then get our stud qb in the 13 draft and we are in business
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 19, 2012 7:56pm
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2012 8:07pm
I will literally flip a fucking shit if they do this.shook_17;1148262 wrote:if they went defense with 3 of the 4 first picks, imagine how sweet our defense would be lol. Claiborne, DE/LB 22 then DE/LB 37. who would need an offense? ha
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 19, 2012 8:19pm
Why trade down? We already have 13 picks. Take the impactful offensive player in Trent and go from there!
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 19, 2012 8:21pm
hoops23;1148281 wrote:Why trade down? We already have 13 picks. Take the impactful offensive player and Trent and go from there!
So we can have 14 picks....duh
SMITTEMS
Posts: 309
Apr 19, 2012 8:36pm
I like the fact that no matter what question is thrown at him he won't ever tip his hat as to exactly what direction they will go. In the end Heckert has a plan and he is sticking to it
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 19, 2012 8:45pm
hoops23;1148281 wrote:Why trade down? We already have 13 picks. Take the impactful offensive player in Trent and go from there!
I agree. 13 picks is enough.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Apr 19, 2012 9:34pm
SportsAndLady;1148274 wrote:I will literally flip a ****ing **** if they do this.
Hahahaha
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 19, 2012 9:39pm
SMITTEMS;1148286 wrote:I like the fact that no matter what question is thrown at him he won't ever tip his hat as to exactly what direction they will go. In the end Heckert has a plan and he is sticking to it
I love it... It's all about posturing and positioning. Determining what you want others to know from what you see and personally feel.
The more I read, the more I think Wright could be had in the second round and maybe even the third. His value is definitely slipping, and to take him at 22 would be an absolute reach at this point.shook_17;1148268 wrote:hill scares me at 22 because he is so raw. only 40 receptions, id really like wright at 22.
wright, evan moore, little, and norwood, maybe with t rich in the backfield would look pretty good. then get our stud qb in the 13 draft and we are in business
Mr Miyagi
Posts: 1,211
Apr 19, 2012 11:04pm
Serious question for debate
Lets play devils advocate here and say the Browns do not upgrade at QB this year
1 What would it take for the negative McCoy people to change their tune and not pick a QB next year? (wins, stats etc)
2 Flip side , what would it take for the pro McCoy people to change their minds and go for a QB next year? (losses , stats)
Lets play devils advocate here and say the Browns do not upgrade at QB this year
1 What would it take for the negative McCoy people to change their tune and not pick a QB next year? (wins, stats etc)
2 Flip side , what would it take for the pro McCoy people to change their minds and go for a QB next year? (losses , stats)
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 19, 2012 11:15pm
I'll answer 2.Mr Miyagi;1148411 wrote:Serious question for debate
Lets play devils advocate here and say the Browns do not upgrade at QB this year
1 What would it take for the negative McCoy people to change their tune and not pick a QB next year? (wins, stats etc)
2 Flip side , what would it take for the pro McCoy people to change their minds and go for a QB next year? (losses , stats)
For me, he needs to show he's a starting QB. Lead us to victories, don't turn the ball over, and win football games. I expect to be in the playoff hunt this year, that's where my expectations are.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Apr 19, 2012 11:20pm
surround him with weapons at the skill positions and protection on the line and let it work itself out on its own. either mccoy isn't that bad or he's the reason why the offense stinksMr Miyagi;1148411 wrote:Serious question for debate
Lets play devils advocate here and say the Browns do not upgrade at QB this year
1 What would it take for the negative McCoy people to change their tune and not pick a QB next year? (wins, stats etc)
2 Flip side , what would it take for the pro McCoy people to change their minds and go for a QB next year? (losses , stats)
Dr. KnOiTaLL
Posts: 2,682
Apr 19, 2012 11:24pm
I'll answer #2 as well. I don't expect us to be in the playoff hunt yet, because that means winning at least 10 games which is unlikely at this point. However, I would simply like to see some solid, consistent improvement in our offense and a record at or close to .500. I would like to see an ability to PASS THE FOOTBALL, and good decision making when we do so. Finally, I would like to see a completion percentage in the 60%'s and at least 20 passing TD's with fewer than 15 TO's (interceptions and fumbles combined). This is when I would say, hmmm, maybe we don't need a QB upgrade.DeyDurkie5;1148418 wrote:I'll answer 2.
For me, he needs to show he's a starting QB. Lead us to victories, don't turn the ball over, and win football games. I expect to be in the playoff hunt this year, that's where my expectations are.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 20, 2012 5:17am
1. Nothing. He won't win you a championship and that's what it's all about. I don't just want to see "good" or "ok" football. I'd like to think that everyone is on the same page and wants a championship here in Cleveland. I just don't see it in him. Maybe this turns out to be wrong but I'm betting it's not.Mr Miyagi;1148411 wrote:Serious question for debate
Lets play devils advocate here and say the Browns do not upgrade at QB this year
1 What would it take for the negative McCoy people to change their tune and not pick a QB next year? (wins, stats etc)
2 Flip side , what would it take for the pro McCoy people to change their minds and go for a QB next year? (losses , stats)
EDIT: Although I might be intrigued if he were to come out with a 30 TD, 10 INT season. 20 & 15 is middle of the pack/mediocre to me.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 20, 2012 5:19am
Yeah, I figured you would. And don't take that in a bad way because I know you've been touting offense from day 1. If they were to go primarily defense with the first few picks it will be a VERY VERY dismal season to watch. Some nice defense but the offense? Blech...SportsAndLady;1148274 wrote:I will literally flip a fucking shit if they do this.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 20, 2012 6:50am
dazedconfused;1148421 wrote:surround him with weapons at the skill positions and protection on the line and let it work itself out on its own. either mccoy isn't that bad or he's the reason why the offense stinks
My feelings as well
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Apr 20, 2012 7:02am
I would also vote for drafting offense and looking for improvement from McCoy. If he has protection and someone to throw to, he has to show he's the guy. If he continues to check down, miss receivers, or throw picks you have to look elswhere.