DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 9:15pm
jesus. are you guys retarded? We aren't saying IT"S THE ONLY REASON, we are just saying it adds to the pick being selected that high as a no no. How hard is that to comprehend.Mr Miyagi;1144816 wrote:Everyone should remember this argument for next year when we have the first pick and people want Barkley. Name a franchise QB from USC. Sanchez ? Leinart? Anybody?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 15, 2012 9:23pm
Conference affiliation to me normally has no bearing. But when a conference has been this bad at producing legitimate franchise quarterbacks for a decade now, it's a negative. It's not a positive factor for any other QB, ie no conference is particularly better than another, but the Big 12 is notably bad because it is built around things that QBs simply don't see in the league: a close to no huddle offense the whole time, 55 snaps from shotgun, extremely porous defenses.
I can't help that I find those things negative when considering a QB. As Durkie said, it's not a determinative factor, but to us, it's a factor nonetheless.
I can't help that I find those things negative when considering a QB. As Durkie said, it's not a determinative factor, but to us, it's a factor nonetheless.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 9:29pm
SportsAndLady;1144812 wrote:SMH you are LITERALLY retarded.
Now onto personal attacks because you have nothing. The conferences defenses have absolutely no affect on how a player will succeed in the nfl. It's a bullshit excuse and retarded. If a guy can play he can. Like skyhook said there are a lot of very good defensive players in the nfl from the big 12. So they obviously played nfl talent. The schemes they run in the big 12 make it an offense league just like the big 10 is a defensive league.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 15, 2012 9:30pm
You've been absolutely owned on this topic, and you're gonna tell me I have nothing?Crimson streak;1144832 wrote:Now onto personal attacks because you have nothing. The conferences defenses have absolutely no affect on how a player will succeed in the nfl. It's a bullshit excuse and retarded. If a guy can play he can. Like skyhook said there are a lot of very good defensive players in the nfl from the big 12. So they obviously played nfl talent. The schemes they run in the big 12 make it an offense league just like the big 10 is a defensive league.
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Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 9:43pm
SportsAndLady;1144837 wrote:You've been absolutely owned on this topic, and you're gonna tell me I have nothing?
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How have I been owned because you say so? Honestly your logic is ficking retarded. A qb played in the big 12 so he won't be good in the nfl. That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard honestly. So continue to complain about how the browns are looking at a big 12 qb and how terrible he will be because I'm done with this topic. I have my opinion you have yours it's as simple as that.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 9:51pm
once again. for the millionth time. We aren't saying that it's the ONLY REASON he shouldn't get drafted. It's just a factor into the debate on how high he should be drafted. Are you that fucking retarded? Seriously, you are just doing this to argue. Because if you are not, then you literally have downs, kindly.Crimson streak;1144846 wrote:How have I been owned because you say so? Honestly your logic is ficking retarded. A qb played in the big 12 so he won't be good in the nfl. That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard honestly. So continue to complain about how the browns are looking at a big 12 qb and how terrible he will be because I'm done with this topic. I have my opinion you have yours it's as simple as that.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 15, 2012 9:55pm
Yeah C Streak is just stupid, that's all I can really think of
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 15, 2012 9:57pm
Coming from the person who said Tom Brady was horrible in college and nothing was expected of #1 pick Sam Bradford?Crimson streak;1144846 wrote: That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard honestly..
Irony at it's finest.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 10:05pm
Being big ten honorable mention is definitely average. And of course Bradford had expectations it was all the other qb's on your list.
I'm saying the big 12 bullshit should have absolutely no pull at all in drafting someone not the only factor. I worded it wrong a little bit. Once again it should have no factor at all.
I'm saying the big 12 bullshit should have absolutely no pull at all in drafting someone not the only factor. I worded it wrong a little bit. Once again it should have no factor at all.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 10:19pm
let's just drop this. crimson is obviously retarded when it comes to this.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 10:32pm
You don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying you can have other factors to why he can't succeed but because of the big 12 defenses should not be a factor at all
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 15, 2012 10:34pm
The fact that he'll be 29 by week 4 is a complete turn off for me. Especially with anything in the top 37
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Apr 15, 2012 10:39pm
This is very mean.DeyDurkie5;1144889 wrote:crimson is obviously retarded when it comes to this.
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 15, 2012 10:40pm
Yeah, I feel the same, but I do understand the argument that if he gives you 6 good years...that is better than anything we have had since they came back. I am just not sold on him or Tannehill...no matter what the age or experience that they have.hoops23;1144897 wrote:The fact that he'll be 29 by week 4 is a complete turn off for me. Especially with anything in the top 37
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 10:48pm
When almost all of their top qb's coming of the division have failed/not lived up to the hype, yes you can take it into account. The type of offense ran in that league is not NFL translatable.Crimson streak;1144896 wrote:You don't get what I'm saying. I'm saying you can have other factors to why he can't succeed but because of the big 12 defenses should not be a factor at all
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 11:06pm
DeyDurkie5;1144907 wrote:When almost all of their top qb's coming of the division have failed/not lived up to the hype, yes you can take it into account. The type of offense ran in that league is not NFL translatable.
But what I'm saying Is there has only been 2 prototypical nfl qb's to come from the big 12 in Bradford and gabbert and I would gabbert is questionable because he a retard. So you really can't judge the conference for its qb's. I agree I don't want weedon. He's old and wouldn't be a good fit. I kind of worded my posts wrong so you probably didn't understand what I was trying to say
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buckeyes_woowee
Posts: 512
Apr 15, 2012 11:37pm
Josh Freeman is from the Big 12 as well. Not saying that he is elite but has shown some promise. Weeden is going to go in the first round and I don't think it will be to the Browns.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 11:45pm
That's almost like saying we should draft cousins because big ten qb's have been successful over say tannehill. IMO they both suck and I wouldn't want either but if I had to take one it would be tannehill.
ohiobucks1
Posts: 4,915
Apr 16, 2012 12:15am
STFU Crimson.
Back to the topic, I hope the Browns get Miami to trade with them, trade down and get extra first round pick
Back to the topic, I hope the Browns get Miami to trade with them, trade down and get extra first round pick
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 16, 2012 12:21am
tannehill at 4 is not as good of a pick as cousins in say... the 4th or 5th. Too much value at that high of a pick to risk on somebody who has been a quarterback for all of one season in college.Crimson streak;1144952 wrote:That's almost like saying we should draft cousins because big ten qb's have been successful over say tannehill. IMO they both suck and I wouldn't want either but if I had to take one it would be tannehill.
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Apr 16, 2012 12:22am
Cousins is going to be the surprise in this year's draft. His floor IMO is at least an excellent backup which is pretty good for a guy who's most likely gonna be a 5th round pick.Crimson streak;1144952 wrote:That's almost like saying we should draft cousins because big ten qb's have been successful over say tannehill. IMO they both suck and I wouldn't want either but if I had to take one it would be tannehill.
He's pretty much a stronger armed Colt McCoy.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 16, 2012 12:24am
crimson is literally retarded. I'm sorry, but the way he has been spouting off he just isn't making sense. Let's get back to the real convo.
I do love how BR posts on this site, but hasn't posted on this thread. Just like when we got into an argument, he defriended me on facebook. Now, he gets into one argument where people are "making fun of him" and he doesn't post on the thread. Funny
I do love how BR posts on this site, but hasn't posted on this thread. Just like when we got into an argument, he defriended me on facebook. Now, he gets into one argument where people are "making fun of him" and he doesn't post on the thread. Funny
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Apr 16, 2012 2:58am
agreed. the spread is just terrible for developing qbs for success in the nfl. tannehill is a different story because of the wco but he has own faults to deal with - he'll still go about 25 spots higher than he shouldDeyDurkie5;1144907 wrote:When almost all of their top qb's coming of the division have failed/not lived up to the hype, yes you can take it into account. The type of offense ran in that league is not NFL translatable.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 16, 2012 3:06am
I've noticed when BR gets into spouts he does that. He's left the site a couple of times in the past after he got into debates.DeyDurkie5;1144971 wrote:crimson is literally retarded. I'm sorry, but the way he has been spouting off he just isn't making sense. Let's get back to the real convo.
I do love how BR posts on this site, but hasn't posted on this thread. Just like when we got into an argument, he defriended me on facebook. Now, he gets into one argument where people are "making fun of him" and he doesn't post on the thread. Funny
I don't know if he takes it personal or what, but I know nobody here actually tries to make anything personal. It's an internet message board. You have several people on here discussing the same topics, some will agree, some will not. Take it for what it is. A discussion.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 16, 2012 7:18am
BR has been posting on the Yappi Cleveland Browns thread lol. I like BR, I don't think he likes me as a poster any more though, because we haven't seen quite eye to eye this off season, but as Hoops says, nothing personal here.. at least on this end.