DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 5:41pm
Crimson streak;1144692 wrote:And Bradford is a solid qb, and well gabbert was a huge reach and wasn't ready to step into the nfl and play.
| Regular Season Passing Stats | ||||||||||||
| SEASON | TEAM | GP | CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | INT | FUM | RAT |
| 2010 | 16 | 354 | 590 | 60.0 | 3,512 | 5.95 | 18 | 49 | 15 | 6 | 76.5 | |
| 2011 | 10 | 191 | 357 | 53.5 | 2,164 | 6.06 | 6 | 68 | 6 | 6 | 70.5 |
If you think that is a solid qb, then you have to think Colt McCOy is a solid QB.
| Regular Season Passing Stats | ||||||||||||
| SEASON | TEAM | GP | CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG | INT | FUM | RAT |
| 2010 | 8 | 135 | 222 | 60.8 | 1,576 | 7.10 | 6 | 47 | 9 | 1 | 74.5 | |
| 2011 | 13 | 265 | 463 | 57.2 | 2,733 | 5.90 | 14 | 56 | 11 | 5 | 74.6 |
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 6:00pm
Bradford had a bad year last year but for a rookie he was solid. And you mention the spread offenses in the big 12, but yet everyone wanted rg3? But he's going to suck because all those other big 12 qb's sucked before. Like I said it depends on the player. Weedon, I do not want unless he slides to the 3rd. We have a lot of needs and we need impact players in the first 2 rounds. I'm just saying you can't not draft a qb because the other qb's in there conference weren't successful.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 6:02pm
Yeah, and McCoy's numbers are comparable to Bradfords for each of his seasons in the league. Why do you not consider him solid? Such a retarded argument.Crimson streak;1144713 wrote:Bradford had a bad year last year but for a rookie he was solid. And you mention the spread offenses in the big 12, but yet everyone wanted rg3? But he's going to suck because all those other big 12 qb's sucked before. Like u said it depends on the player. Weedon I do not want unless he slides to the 3rd. We have a lot of needs and we need impact players in the first 2 rounds. I'm just saying you can't not draft a qb because the other qb's in there conference weren't successful.
And I said, the only reason RG3 is wowing people is because of his dual thread status and his big arm/decent accuracy. You don't draft is solely on that, but it definitely comes into play.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Apr 15, 2012 6:20pm
reps to durkie.DeyDurkie5;1144707 wrote:
Regular Season Passing Stats SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT 2010 16 354 590 60.0 3,512 5.95 18 49 15 6 76.5 2011 10 191 357 53.5 2,164 6.06 6 68 6 6 70.5
If you think that is a solid qb, then you have to think Colt McCOy is a solid QB.
Regular Season Passing Stats SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT 2010 8 135 222 60.8 1,576 7.10 6 47 9 1 74.5 2011 13 265 463 57.2 2,733 5.90 14 56 11 5 74.6
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Apr 15, 2012 6:20pm
I think RG3 is going to be the real deal. But...he will need people to get open and catch the ball...something that McCoy hasn't had.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 7:13pm
DeyDurkie5;1144717 wrote:Yeah, and McCoy's numbers are comparable to Bradfords for each of his seasons in the league. Why do you not consider him solid? Such a retarded argument.
And I said, the only reason RG3 is wowing people is because of his dual thread status and his big arm/decent accuracy. You don't draft is solely on that, but it definitely comes into play.
I think Bradford will have a very good year and McCoy isn't bad he's just not what the browns need. I'm fine with giving him another year this year with more weapons. I wanted rg3 because I think he is a franchise guy and can take a team to the next level.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Apr 15, 2012 7:35pm
I think Colt is what the Browns need, if he proves he can play. He's running the WCO, so it's not like he's throwing 40 yard bombs every other play.
A good running game and some playmakers who can get YAC and the offense will be fine.
A good running game and some playmakers who can get YAC and the offense will be fine.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:03pm
hoops23;1144771 wrote:I think Colt is what the Browns need, if he proves he can play. He's running the WCO, so it's not like he's throwing 40 yard bombs every other play.
A good running game and some playmakers who can get YAC and the offense will be fine.
Agreed. And if we get play makers around him and he fails we go after Barkley next year or even Wilson. It's a win win really.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 15, 2012 8:08pm
I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.
Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.
Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.
IggyPride00
Posts: 6,482
Apr 15, 2012 8:08pm
We will also be getting a new coaching staff, front office and starting all over again. Not quite that simple.Crimson streak;1144783 wrote:Agreed. And if we get play makers around him and he fails we go after Barkley next year or even Wilson. It's a win win really.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:09pm
IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.
Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.
For once I actually agree. But yet all of them had a hard on for rg3 who is a big 12 qb
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:10pm
IggyPride00;1144787 wrote:We will also be getting a new coaching staff, front office and starting all over again. Not quite that simple.
Holmgren may be gone but heckert and shurmer will more than likely still be here. I would say heckert for sure
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 8:11pm
It's not dismissing him ONLY because he played in the big 12. It's dismissing him for a lot of reasons, including that. Although, not surprised you would think that iggy "the sky is falling, abandon ship" pride00IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.
Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 15, 2012 8:15pm
IggyPride00;1144786 wrote:I remember hearing that same kind of trash before the NBA draft about how Duke players largely sucked in the league, so we should pass on Kyrie because of how it went for most of the others.
Sound logic for Cleveland fans to dismiss players because of things totally unrelated to their abilities.
They're not similar situations.
The Big 12 thing has something to do with ability. Quarterbacks don't become prepared to succeed in the NFL by throwing the ball 50 times a game from shotgun in a hurry up offense playing against inferior opponents.
The numbers don't lie. The same people who tore up that league haven't done anything of significant value in the NFL. You're suggesting there's no causal link, and I strongly disagree.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:33pm
lhslep134;1144793 wrote:They're not similar situations.
The Big 12 thing has something to do with ability. Quarterbacks don't become prepared to succeed in the NFL by throwing the ball 50 times a game from shotgun in a hurry up offense playing against inferior opponents.
The numbers don't lie. The same people who tore up that league haven't done anything of significant value in the NFL. You're suggesting there's no causal link, and I strongly disagree.
A lot of those qb's were products of the system. They werent the prototypical nfl qb. Bradford and to an extent gabbert. There's a reason most of them were drafted late/ undrafted. So what's the excuse with rg3 then he's a big 12 qb?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 15, 2012 8:38pm
I wonder if these guys even watch Big 12 football? It's literally throw a bubble screen or quick slant 75% of the time lol of course QBs are going to put up big numbers.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:40pm
SportsAndLady;1144806 wrote:I wonder if these guys even watch Big 12 football? It's literally throw a bubble screen or quick slant 75% of the time lol of course QBs are going to put up big numbers.
No one is questioning the type of offenses they run why can't you get that through your head. Discrediting someone just because they played in the big 12 is just dumb. What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 15, 2012 8:42pm
smh, you don't get it.Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:No one is questioning the type of offenses they run why can't you get that through your head. Discrediting someone just because they played in the big 12 is just dumb. What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 15, 2012 8:42pm
WE ARE NOT SAYING HE IS NOT GOING TO SUCCEED JUST BECAUSE HE'S FROM THE BIG12.Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:No one is questioning the type of offenses they run why can't you get that through your head. Discrediting someone just because they played in the big 12 is just dumb. What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 15, 2012 8:45pm
SportsAndLady;1144809 wrote:WE ARE NOT SAYING HE IS NOT GOING TO SUCCEED JUST BECAUSE HE'S FROM THE BIG12.
Thats exactly what your saying. I don't want weedon either but I'm saying just bc he is from the big 12 doesn't mean he's going to fail. I don't want him cause he's 28 and does nothing for the browns at this point
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 15, 2012 8:47pm
That's your best response? That saying RGIII's success would somehow negate the lack of success that the Big 12 QBs have had in recent memory, and that Tannehill and Weeden will most likely continue?Crimson streak;1144807 wrote:What if rg3 lights up the nfl does that change your perception?
The only way my perception will be affected is if Weeden and Tannehill succeed, not the #2 pick in the draft.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 15, 2012 8:48pm
SMH you are LITERALLY retarded.Crimson streak;1144810 wrote:Thats exactly what your saying. I don't want weedon either but I'm saying just bc he is from the big 12 doesn't mean he's going to fail. I don't want him cause he's 28 and does nothing for the browns at this point
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Apr 15, 2012 8:48pm
For as bad as many people are saying defenses are in the Big12 they sure put a lot of defensive players in the NFL.
Mr Miyagi
Posts: 1,211
Apr 15, 2012 9:09pm
Everyone should remember this argument for next year when we have the first pick and people want Barkley. Name a franchise QB from USC. Sanchez ? Leinart? Anybody?
wes_mantooth
Posts: 17,977
Apr 15, 2012 9:10pm
Mr Miyagi;1144816 wrote:Everyone should remember this argument for next year when we have the first pick and people want Barkley. Name a franchise QB from USC. Sanchez ? Leinart? Anybody?
I think an argument could be made for palmer....until the dirty play in the playoff game.