derek bomar
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Apr 1, 2012 9:03am
niceMr Miyagi;1133565 wrote:04.20.2011 01:38 PM #1189
BR1986FB
The way I see it, with McCoy & Wallace, they have a two year window to see if they have their QB.
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First and foremost they need to get weapons and a strong offensive line around him. Tim Couch lacked those things hence he was labeled a "bust."
If the Browns put game breaking receivers, a strong O-Line and a competent running game around McCoy and THEN he fails, that's when you look elsewhere.
The only way I throw this scenario out the window is if he throws 2 TD's and 15 INT's.
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ichsnjb
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Apr 1, 2012 9:07am
Browns trade for first pick on this years draft. Go to my thread for more info
shook_17
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Apr 1, 2012 9:15am
Like that. I have never been on bleacher reports website. Hey its my opinion that weeden is a good pick at 37th.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Apr 1, 2012 9:24am
Definitely miscalculated on those posts. Had NO idea that McCoy could possibly be THIS bad. And they were prior to last season before I saw how truly bad McCoy is. Prior to the 2011 season he had shown a couple of glimpses of hope. His 2011 season threw that "hope" out the window.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 1, 2012 10:21am
Adam Schefter ‏ @
AdamSchefter
RT @ Cyphate: Nobody is talking Vikings. Who
will they draft 3rd overall? ... My feeling today is in the minority. Think WR
Justin Blackmon.
AdamSchefter
RT @ Cyphate: Nobody is talking Vikings. Who
will they draft 3rd overall? ... My feeling today is in the minority. Think WR
Justin Blackmon.
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Al Bundy
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Apr 1, 2012 10:30am
Would be nice to let us get Kalil.BR1986FB;1133671 wrote:Adam Schefter ‏ @
AdamSchefter
RT @ Cyphate: Nobody is talking Vikings. Who
will they draft 3rd overall? ... My feeling today is in the minority. Think WR
Justin Blackmon.
like_that
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Apr 1, 2012 10:32am
I agree. Although, I really don't give a shit, there will be a lot of Cleveland fans QQing. I'd be happy with Kalil at 4 and a WR at 22. That would be a good day 1 of the draft.Al Bundy;1133674 wrote:Would be nice to let us get Kalil.
like_that
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Apr 1, 2012 10:33am
Then ask Durkie for the good weed lol.shook_17;1133631 wrote:Like that. I have never been on bleacher reports website. Hey its my opinion that weeden is a good pick at 37th.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 1, 2012 11:05am
If Kalil falls to 4, the Browns phone lines are likely to get lit up. Both the Rams & Buffalo (#10) need a LT pretty bad....like_that;1133675 wrote:I agree. Although, I really don't give a shit, there will be a lot of Cleveland fans QQing. I'd be happy with Kalil at 4 and a WR at 22. That would be a good day 1 of the draft.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 1, 2012 11:11am
In a WTF moment Browns will have San Diego State punter Brian Stahovich in for a visit...
like_that
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Apr 1, 2012 11:16am
That would be good too, as long as they get a good deal.BR1986FB;1133690 wrote:If Kalil falls to 4, the Browns phone lines are likely to get lit up. Both the Rams & Buffalo (#10) need a LT pretty bad....
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BR1986FB
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Apr 1, 2012 11:25am
IggyPride00
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Apr 1, 2012 11:38am
Heard Ozzie Newsome on Cleveland Browns daily on KNR, and he basically said the Browns are going to struggle until they get a QB.
He made a point of saying that they have Joe, Pittsburgh has Ben, Cincy Andy.......and Cleveland is still a huge question mark as it has been.
He said basically nothing will change in Cleveland as far as winning division games as long as they are unsettled at QB, and that in this division having a solid QB is the most important thing.
It was very blunt and to the point.
God do I wish he could have been running the Browns when they came back, as we wouldn't be in the position we are now. So sad that he stuck with the Ratbirds when he bleeds Orange and Brown.
He made a point of saying that they have Joe, Pittsburgh has Ben, Cincy Andy.......and Cleveland is still a huge question mark as it has been.
He said basically nothing will change in Cleveland as far as winning division games as long as they are unsettled at QB, and that in this division having a solid QB is the most important thing.
It was very blunt and to the point.
God do I wish he could have been running the Browns when they came back, as we wouldn't be in the position we are now. So sad that he stuck with the Ratbirds when he bleeds Orange and Brown.
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Al Bundy
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Apr 1, 2012 11:42am
Ozzie might say that, but defense has generally wont the division the last decade. Look at some of the terrible QB's that Baltimore and Pittsburgh have won with due to injury and other circumstances. Baltimore won the Super Bowl without a top level QB.IggyPride00;1133715 wrote:Heard Ozzie Newsome on Cleveland Browns daily on KNR, and he basically said the Browns are going to struggle until they get a QB.
He made a point of saying that they have Joe, Pittsburgh has Ben, Cincy Andy.......and Cleveland is still a huge question mark as it has been.
He said basically nothing will change in Cleveland as far as winning division games as long as they are unsettled at QB, and that in this division having a solid QB is the most important thing.
It was very blunt and to the point.
God do I wish he could have been running the Browns when they came back, as we wouldn't be in the position we are now. So sad that he stuck with the Ratbirds when he bleeds Orange and Brown.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 1, 2012 11:43am
Good move on Ozzie, trying to pressure Cleveland to make a stupid QB pick. I would do the same thing if I was an opposing division GM.
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BR1986FB
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Apr 1, 2012 11:44am
If Holmgren bolts, don't be surprised if Lerner makes a hard push for Ozzie as President.IggyPride00;1133715 wrote:Heard Ozzie Newsome on Cleveland Browns daily on KNR, and he basically said the Browns are going to struggle until they get a QB.
He made a point of saying that they have Joe, Pittsburgh has Ben, Cincy Andy.......and Cleveland is still a huge question mark as it has been.
He said basically nothing will change in Cleveland as far as winning division games as long as they are unsettled at QB, and that in this division having a solid QB is the most important thing.
It was very blunt and to the point.
God do I wish he could have been running the Browns when they came back, as we wouldn't be in the position we are now. So sad that he stuck with the Ratbirds when he bleeds Orange and Brown.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Apr 1, 2012 11:46am
Holmgren isn't bolting, but if he does, then that would be awesome to have Ozzie.BR1986FB;1133724 wrote:If Holmgren bolts, don't be surprised if Lerner makes a hard push for Ozzie as President.
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Al Bundy
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Apr 1, 2012 11:52am
Why would Holmgren bolt? He makes a huge salary and has no accountability.BR1986FB;1133724 wrote:If Holmgren bolts, don't be surprised if Lerner makes a hard push for Ozzie as President.
shook_17
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Apr 1, 2012 12:01pm
^^ rumor has it he is considering retiring after draft
IggyPride00
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Apr 1, 2012 12:09pm
If he bolts after the draft it is because he knows this team is going to win 3-4 games this year and doesn't want to be around to deal with the fall-out. He knows he would have to fire Shurmur, and that the spotlight would be pointed then at him and how 3.5 years into a rebuild under him we are still winning 4-5 games.
If he thought we were on the verge, he would be sticking around for the coronation you can best believe.
If he thought we were on the verge, he would be sticking around for the coronation you can best believe.
SportsAndLady
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Apr 1, 2012 12:10pm
What, BR's rumors telling you that? LOLshook_17;1133745 wrote:^^ rumor has it he is considering retiring after draft
DeyDurkie5
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Apr 1, 2012 12:24pm
Who gives a shit what Ozzie Newsome has to say.
Also, for the arguments of Andy Dalton..Look at what he had surrounded around him. An Elite receiver, 2 playmaking recievers, a great tight end, a great offensive line, and an offensive coordinator that knew how to call plays/and know how to work Dalton into hte system. A lot of his throws were just chucking it up to AJ green and letting him go get it.
Also, for the arguments of Andy Dalton..Look at what he had surrounded around him. An Elite receiver, 2 playmaking recievers, a great tight end, a great offensive line, and an offensive coordinator that knew how to call plays/and know how to work Dalton into hte system. A lot of his throws were just chucking it up to AJ green and letting him go get it.
Tigerfan00
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Apr 1, 2012 12:44pm
Sounds like something the Browns havent had since returning and still arent even closeDeyDurkie5;1133780 wrote:Who gives a shit what Ozzie Newsome has to say.
Also, for the arguments of Andy Dalton..Look at what he had surrounded around him. An Elite receiver, 2 playmaking recievers, a great tight end, a great offensive line, and an offensive coordinator that knew how to call plays/and know how to work Dalton into hte system. A lot of his throws were just chucking it up to AJ green and letting him go get it.
DeyDurkie5
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Apr 1, 2012 12:47pm
That's what I'm saying. You put Dalton on the browns, and BR and alll these guys will be hating him cause he will look shitty. It's unfair to compare the two at this moment, because hte offenses are light years different.Tigerfan00;1133806 wrote:Sounds like something the Browns havent had since returning and still arent even close
Skyhook79
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Apr 1, 2012 12:54pm
Dalton was a rookie and so was his "Elite" receiver. Maybe AJ became Elite in part because of Dalton. The off cord was brand new and the other 2 receivers were not starters last year. They completely revamped their offense and a rookie QB came in and took them to the Playoffs. Face it McCoy stinks and is by far the worst QB in the Division and the Browns are going nowhere with him.DeyDurkie5;1133780 wrote:Who gives a shit what Ozzie Newsome has to say.
Also, for the arguments of Andy Dalton..Look at what he had surrounded around him. An Elite receiver, 2 playmaking recievers, a great tight end, a great offensive line, and an offensive coordinator that knew how to call plays/and know how to work Dalton into hte system. A lot of his throws were just chucking it up to AJ green and letting him go get it.