BR1986FB;1134020 wrote:Not exactly. My post #5151 said it all. Regardless of having weapons around him, or not, after seeing him in 2011 and all of his shortcomings, changed my opinion of him. It happens.

Putting good weapons around him won't change the checkdowns, accuracy issues, panicking, etc. I was "all in" on McCoy going into 2011. Watching him regress week after week was all I needed to know that he doesn't have "it."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/465198-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-stats-in-their-first-year-as-a-full-time-nfl-starter

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1134001 wrote:Can't we all just get along!?

I know I said this before, but I would love to see how this thread would look if the Browns turned into a winning franchise.

DeyDurkie5;1134023 wrote:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/465198-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-stats-in-their-first-year-as-a-full-time-nfl-starter

So now McCoy's a future Hall of Famer? I just LITERALLY pissed myself. :laugh:

Who isn't going to regress when surrounding with a shoddy O-line, no healthy RBs, and a WR corp that led the league in drops?

like_that;1134025 wrote:I know I said this before, but I would love to see how this thread would look if the Browns turned into a winning franchise.

Hopefully it wouldn't have as many brain dead posts. Or skyhook. But the latter is probably too much to ask.

BR1986FB;1134028 wrote:So now McCoy's a future Hall of Famer? I just LITERALLY pissed myself. :laugh:

You are missing the point completely if you think that's what I meant.

lhslep134;1134031 wrote:Hopefully it wouldn't have as many brain dead posts. Or skyhook. But the latter is probably too much to ask.

Way too much to ask. Failhook will always try too hard to troll and be a douche.

DeyDurkie5;1133959 wrote:McCoy has NFL experience under his belt, Weeden doesn't.

He didn't as a rookie. Coming out of the same conference. And he started.

Why wouldn't Weeden be able to do the same thing?

Mulva;1134037 wrote:He didn't as a rookie. Coming out of the same conference. And he started.

Why wouldn't Weeden be able to do the same thing?

Weeden has said himself that he would prefer to sit to get a feel for the league.

Why waste a pick that early on a QB when we have other needs? Fill the offense with playmakers, get the line upgraded, and if mccoy chokes, we are in position next draft to move up and get Barkley. It's really not that difficult. Drafting weeden that early is just retarded/counter productive.

I wish Barkley was a douche fuck and went back to school. We wouldn't have this convo

When are the Browns allowed to have off season activities with their players and coaches?

we are in position next draft to move up and get Barkley.

Won't people be equally pissed next year if we give up 3 #1's to move up to get a franchise QB? That is going to be the new price to get up into the top 2 to draft one. It's not like teams are going to suddenly start being happy with only a pair of them after what Washington did this past season.

At least this year it would have only been 2 years worth of #1's, moving forward without 2 in one year it will be 3 straight years, which is really pushing it.

Al Bundy;1133951 wrote:It must be April Fools Day if we are comparing Colt McCoy to Joe Montana.

Montana's bread and butter was the intermediate passing game, but it worked because he did have the arm to stretch the defense. McCoy doensn't have the ability to stretch a defense. Look how close the safties from ever defense play against the Browns because they know that they Browns don't have a QB that can throw the ball down field.

Yeah...I was comparing Colt with Montana. Well done sir. Your comp skills suck. Now substitute for the bolded part "wide receiver that can go deep" and then you will have your answer.

I get a little tired of rereading the SOS. When was the last Browns team to have a quality set of professional receivers? Answer....never....because the team that had a set now plays in Baltimore.

IggyPride00;1134054 wrote:Won't people be equally pissed next year if we give up 3 #1's to move up to get a franchise QB? That is going to be the new price to get up into the top 2 to draft one. It's not like teams are going to suddenly start being happy with only a pair of them after what Washington did this past season.

At least this year it would have only been 2 years worth of #1's, moving forward without 2 in one year it will be 3 straight years, which is really pushing it.

Top level QB's do not have to be taken with only the top 2 picks. If you look at the top QBs in the league, how many of them were top 2 picks? I would hope that the Browns don't give up three #1's to move up a few spots. If they have to move up more than a few spots, they will have had a much better season than I expect.

Footwedge;1134056 wrote:Yeah...I was comparing Colt with Montana. Well done sir. Your comp skills suck. Now substitute for the bolded part "wide receiver that can go deep" and then you will have your answer.

I get a little tired of rereading the SOS. When was the last Browns team to have a quality set of professional receivers? Answer....never....because the team that had a set now plays in Baltimore.

You compared McCoy's arm strength to Montana's, and that is laughable. McCoy simply can't throw the ball down field. If you surround him with the 2000 Ravens could he find a way to win, probably. They have so many needs at this point, that I am fine if they go with McCoy this season, but they will not win with him unless they are so elite at every other position that the QB doesn't matter.

IggyPride00;1134054 wrote:Won't people be equally pissed next year if we give up 3 #1's to move up to get a franchise QB? That is going to be the new price to get up into the top 2 to draft one. It's not like teams are going to suddenly start being happy with only a pair of them after what Washington did this past season.

At least this year it would have only been 2 years worth of #1's, moving forward without 2 in one year it will be 3 straight years, which is really pushing it.

No, I won't becuase we would've used a draft(just as we did last year and the year before on defense) to acquire offensive playmakers to surround the QB with. If we get a dynamic reciever, a dynamic RB, a dynamic RT, and a couple other offensive pieces with this draft, then there is no excuses for the QB situation this year. If we are solidified in that regard and McCoy is just awful this year, then I see it as absolutely neccesary to go after Barkley because those offensive pieces will be in place. This year, we need a draft to get deeper on defense, and to surround McCoy with weapons. We have such a huge need on offense, that I think it's a waste of a pick to pick someone like Weeden that high.

Al Bundy;1134061 wrote:You compared McCoy's arm strength to Montana's, and that is laughable. McCoy simply can't throw the ball down field. If you surround him with the 2000 Ravens could he find a way to win, probably. They have so many needs at this point, that I am fine if they go with McCoy this season, but they will not win with him unless they are so elite at every other position that the QB doesn't matter.

And THIS has been my point. Unless he has the 2000 Ravens/1985 Bears defense behind him and all time "greats" at EVERY position on offense as his "supporting cast', McCoy doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of leading this team to a championship. There's no "wiggle room/margin for error" with him at QB. EVERYTHING has to be the "perfect storm."

I have no issue with them riding him out THIS season as there's nothing really out there that's that much of an upgrade but priority #1 in 2013 better be QB.

Greg Little ‏
@
Str8UpGlittle

WTF
I got traded to the dolphins???

BR1986FB;1134086 wrote:Greg Little ‏
@
Str8UpGlittle

WTF
I got traded to the dolphins???

APRIL FOOOLZZZZQ!!!! ZOMG!@!@!@!@

http://blogs.clevelandbrowns.com/2012/03/30/thoughts-on-the-browns-options-at-no-4/

like_that;1134025 wrote:I know I said this before, but I would love to see how this thread would look if the Browns turned into a winning franchise.

My guess is that it would go like this........

Grossi says we are close to the playoffs
COA: Grossi is a hack

Mary K Cabot says there will be no one on the injury report this week
BR : lol at that bitch Mary K

DURKIE : we're going to the Super Bowl !!! I get to eat a free steak!!
BR : McCoy still sucks
DURKIE : screw you
knoitall: Bleacher Report has us winning it all
COA: Bleacher Report sucks
skyhook : if we had Tim Tebow on this team we would have a dynasty for sure
Durkie : LOL at you skyhook you suck !
likethat: we all just need to be a little patient
skyhook: HaHa Durkie you know I am right!
Durkie: I am done responding to you
likethat : LMFAO
Shook: LOL Durkie you got pwned !! ESPN is reporting that the Browns game is a sellout
COA : ESPN sucks
BR: so does McShay
4RINGZ : I don't like the Steelers anymore go Browns!
shook: the Browns are winning am I dreaming ?
Durkie: screw you shook ! the Browns are the first team to play a Super Bowl in their own city!!!
Mantooth: i will see you all ther in the muni lot
BR: count me out..I will watch it on tv
BR: http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/29/1...86&feedID=3659
basesloaded: you follow that prick?
COA : tl;dr
shook: the Browns just signed Tom Brady
skyhook: why did they do that? Brady has been to 5 Super Bowls and lost 2!
ichsnjb:April Fools!!
Durkie lol PWNED!!!!
skyhook: Tebow is a god
Durkie: yeah a god damn idiot
bases loaded Rizzo says that the Browns are giving away free tickets
COA : Rizzo is a hack
BR: yeah KNR sucks.....you guys can have the tickets. I'm not going. I got to get up early
likethat: so we now have pick # 32 in the draft since we won the Super Bowl....I think we should trade down and accumulate more picks
BR: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-of-march-30/
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/31/1...84&feedID=3659
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Brady
P. Manning
E.Manning
Brees
Rodgers
Rivers
Stafford
Ryan
Newton
Roethlisberger

Off the top of my head, those are the QB's that if the Browns had them, I'd be extremely excited. Of those 10: 8 are first round picks, 6 are top 4 picks, 5 are #1 overall picks.

You can find a serviceable QB outside the first round, but to find a true franchise player, you probably need to be selecting in the top 5 and hopefully #1. Guys like Brady and Brees are the outliers, not the rule.

I wouldn't be extremely excited with Matt Ryan. I mean he's obviously an upgrade over McCoy, and a good qb, but I don't think he's elite and doesn't deserve to be in that group you mentioned. Reminds me of a slightly more talented Flacco.

DeyDurkie5;1134066 wrote:No, I won't becuase we would've used a draft(just as we did last year and the year before on defense) to acquire offensive playmakers to surround the QB with. If we get a dynamic reciever, a dynamic RB, a dynamic RT, and a couple other offensive pieces with this draft, then there is no excuses for the QB situation this year. If we are solidified in that regard and McCoy is just awful this year, then I see it as absolutely neccesary to go after Barkley because those offensive pieces will be in place. This year, we need a draft to get deeper on defense, and to surround McCoy with weapons. We have such a huge need on offense, that I think it's a waste of a pick to pick someone like Weeden that high.

So basically if McCoy has an All Star team around him then we can evaluate him? But until then we can't? lol

Mr Miyagi;1134270 wrote:My guess is that it would go like this........

Grossi says we are close to the playoffs
COA: Grossi is a hack

Mary K Cabot says there will be no one on the injury report this week
BR : lol at that bitch Mary K

DURKIE : we're going to the Super Bowl !!! I get to eat a free steak!!
BR : McCoy still sucks
DURKIE : screw you
knoitall: Bleacher Report has us winning it all
COA: Bleacher Report sucks
skyhook : if we had Tim Tebow on this team we would have a dynasty for sure
Durkie : LOL at you skyhook you suck !
likethat: we all just need to be a little patient
skyhook: HaHa Durkie you know I am right!
Durkie: I am done responding to you
likethat : LMFAO
Shook: LOL Durkie you got pwned !! ESPN is reporting that the Browns game is a sellout
COA : ESPN sucks
BR: so does McShay
4RINGZ : I don't like the Steelers anymore go Browns!
shook: the Browns are winning am I dreaming ?
Durkie: screw you shook ! the Browns are the first team to play a Super Bowl in their own city!!!
Mantooth: i will see you all ther in the muni lot
BR: count me out..I will watch it on tv
BR: http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/29/1...86&feedID=3659
basesloaded: you follow that prick?
COA : tl;dr
shook: the Browns just signed Tom Brady
skyhook: why did they do that? Brady has been to 5 Super Bowls and lost 2!
ichsnjb:April Fools!!
Durkie lol PWNED!!!!
skyhook: Tebow is a god
Durkie: yeah a god damn idiot
bases loaded Rizzo says that the Browns are giving away free tickets
COA : Rizzo is a hack
BR: yeah KNR sucks.....you guys can have the tickets. I'm not going. I got to get up early
likethat: so we now have pick # 32 in the draft since we won the Super Bowl....I think we should trade down and accumulate more picks
BR: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-of-march-30/
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/03/31/1...84&feedID=3659

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