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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Mar 28, 2012 8:43pm
I just don't think there's value taking him at 4.lhslep134;1130384 wrote:I would be ecstatic. I still don't understand how there's a knock on Blackmon.
I know the saying about running backs being "a dime a dozen" but I'd rather take Richardson there in that I think he would have a greater immediate impact on the offense. I think there's a bigger gap/diffence in talent between Richardson and the #2 RB in this draft than there is between Blackmon and the #2 WR. For some, Blackmon may not EVEN be the top WR.
I'm starting to sour on the thought of Claiborne at 4, so I'm sure that will be the pick. :laugh: I'd rather see RT, WR & RB in no particular order.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Mar 28, 2012 9:04pm
What makes Blackmon NOT the top WR? Is it the fact he can't be guarded? Because he's got the best film of any WR and it's not close except for Floyd.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 28, 2012 9:04pm
Blackmon is Crabbtree part 2. No thanks.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 28, 2012 9:05pm
No great size, not great speed, not great hands. Played in spread offense with the worst pass defense in NCAAF. That's the knock.lhslep134;1130399 wrote:What makes Blackmon NOT the top WR? Is it the fact he can't be guarded? Because he's got the best film of any WR and it's not close except for Floyd.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Mar 28, 2012 9:07pm
Well the scouts that do this for a living disagree with you. He may be the best in this draft (there is disagreement), but he isn't on the same level as AJ Green of last year. I'd rather have T. Rich at #4 also, even though it's early for a RB. The best outcome is still to trade down with the Rams and get their 2nd and whatever else.lhslep134;1130384 wrote:I would be ecstatic. I still don't understand how there's a knock on Blackmon.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 9:08pm
What he said made zero sense. It's probably more than you want...means you are complaininglike_that;1130381 wrote:Cleveland Browns ‏ @
OfficialBrowns
Heckert on adding 4 compensatory picks “13 guys that’s probably a little bit
more than you want but I’m not complaining at al
AKA he will be packaging picks.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 28, 2012 9:11pm
I think he meant you don't want that many compensatory picks because it means you lost players to free agency.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 9:13pm
Oh okay, that makes senseMulva;1130414 wrote:I think he meant you don't want that many compensatory picks because it means you lost players to free agency.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 28, 2012 9:15pm
+1Commander of Awesome;1130400 wrote:Blackmon is Crabbtree part 2. No thanks.
Sad thing is, he is still probably better than the WR's we have on the roster.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 9:22pm
Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 28, 2012 9:24pm
I think Crabtree is a pretty good receiver.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Mar 28, 2012 9:40pm
I agree on Crabtree he's pretty legit. The problem is he has Alex Smith and an uncover able TE on his team.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 28, 2012 9:45pm
That is likely the most retarded thing Skip has ever said. The Browns should waste their #4 pick on a 28 year old system QB?BR1986FB;1130335 wrote:http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/44896/chatting-with-qb-prospect-brandon-weeden
LOL...
Skip Bayless ‏ @
RealSkipBayless
Had Brandon Weeden on show today. He outplayed Luck and RG3 last yr. Very
underrated, even though 28. Browns should take him at No. 4.
My god.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 28, 2012 9:46pm
I didn't say that, nice fail tubby. I think their college build, abilities and careers are very similar. Not surprised that point went over your head though. You can disgree, and think he's going to be a beast but don't put words in my mouth.SportsAndLady;1130427 wrote:Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
OQB
Posts: 6,679
Mar 28, 2012 9:47pm
In 3 seasons in the NFL Crabtree has made 175 receptions for 2,240 yards and 12 td's. That's an average of 58 receptions, 746 yards, and 4 td's a season. That's basically what Greg Little had last season....and he was a 2nd round pick.
Trent Richardson is a better value at #4 because the drop off of talent after him.....Did Blackmon have a great career in college....absolutely. BUT I still think the top 5 receivers are very close in talent level.
Trent Richardson is a better value at #4 because the drop off of talent after him.....Did Blackmon have a great career in college....absolutely. BUT I still think the top 5 receivers are very close in talent level.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 28, 2012 9:47pm
I was just going to post this. Such a retarded statementSportsAndLady;1130427 wrote:Blackmon is going to be a beast. LOL @ he won't be good because Crabtree was a bust. That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 10:01pm
Where did I say you were the one who said that, faggy?Commander of Awesome;1130466 wrote:I didn't say that, nice fail tubby. I think their college build, abilities and careers are very similar. Not surprised that point went over your head though. You can disgree, and think he's going to be a beast but don't put words in my mouth.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 28, 2012 10:04pm
Faggy? Glad to see you got nothing.SportsAndLady;1130497 wrote:Where did I say you were the one who said that, faggy?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 10:05pm
Who cares how good Trent is..or how much impact he'd have this year...AP could be their at #4, and I'd pass on him. RB's are worthless in the NFL. YOu can plug in anybody in an offense with a good passing game, and they'll succeed.OQB;1130470 wrote:In 3 seasons in the NFL Crabtree has made 175 receptions for 2,240 yards and 12 td's. That's an average of 58 receptions, 746 yards, and 4 td's a season. That's basically what Greg Little had last season....and he was a 2nd round pick.
Trent Richardson is a better value at #4 because the drop off of talent after him.....Did Blackmon have a great career in college....absolutely. BUT I still think the top 5 receivers are very close in talent level.
Packers-Grant, Saine, Starks
Patriots-Green-Ellis, Ridley, Woodhead
Saints-Thomas, Ivory, Sproles, Ingram
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 10:06pm
Well you called me tubby, so I had to give an "incredibly gay thing to call a guy" insult back to youCommander of Awesome;1130498 wrote:Faggy? Glad to see you got nothing.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Mar 28, 2012 10:09pm
Or a good o line. What separates the good RBs with a line vs the elite RBs is what they do in open field after they burst through a hole.SportsAndLady;1130503 wrote:Who cares how good Trent is..or how much impact he'd have this year...AP could be their at #4, and I'd pass on him. RB's are worthless in the NFL. YOu can plug in anybody in an offense with a good passing game, and they'll succeed.
Packers-Grant, Saine, Starks
Patriots-Green-Ellis, Ridley, Woodhead
Saints-Thomas, Ivory, Sproles, Ingram
AP is great, but look where Minny is at with him now. He might miss part of the season, and even when he is back, how effective will he be? He has been the best RB in the game, yet minnesota has had 2 losing seasons in a row with him now.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Mar 28, 2012 10:12pm
Why I gotta be gay?SportsAndLady;1130505 wrote:Well you called me tubby, so I had to give an "incredibly gay thing to call a guy" insult back to you
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Mar 28, 2012 10:13pm
Exactly.like_that;1130510 wrote:Or a good o line. What separates the good RBs with a line vs the elite RBs is what they do in open field after they burst through a hole.
AP is great, but look where Minny is at with him now. He might miss part of the season, and even when he is back, how effective will he be? He has been the best RB in the game, yet minnesota has had 2 losing seasons in a row with him now.
But yeah, lets still take Richardson, and pass on adding a legit #1 WR threat to our offense for the first time since Braylon Edwards actually had a good season...because you know, Crabtree wasn't a #1, so Blackmon won't either.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Mar 28, 2012 10:22pm
Obviously hit a nerve with tubby, apologies.SportsAndLady;1130515 wrote:Exactly.
But yeah, lets still take Richardson, and pass on adding a legit #1 WR threat to our offense for the first time since Braylon Edwards actually had a good season...because you know, Crabtree wasn't a #1, so Blackmon won't either.
Braylon had one good season, and is twice the athlete Blackmon is. My issue is that Blackmon reminds me of, IE very similar college game to Michael Crabbtree. Put up great stats, etc...can't produce at same level in NFL. He lacks any elite tools to make him worth the #4 overall pick in the draft. You draft a WR that high he needs to be AJ Green/Calvin Johnson IMO. Crabbtree's production hasn't even warranted a first round pick let alone top 10.
Sorry I'll be sure to spell everything out for you in the future so your feelings don't get hurt and you get up in arms over my opinion. I don't want to get called "faggy" again, really hurt my feelz.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Mar 28, 2012 10:30pm
Blackmon is goin to be a beast in the NFL. Comparing him to Crabtree and then basically saying he will be like Crabtree is just retarded.