buckeyes_woowee;1129560 wrote:haha can we get back to the Browns? I'm not sure why some people on here have nothing better to do then just take dumb little jabs at other people.

I didn't take a stab at anyone until my opinion was singled out here. I base my opinions on stats....you know...scoreboard.

I ripped Little because his stats blew...and then I get called out for it. oh...OK.

Footwedge;1129573 wrote:I didn't take a stab at anyone until my opinion was singled out here. I base my opinions on stats....you know...scoreboard.

I ripped Little because his stats blew...and then I get called out for it. oh...OK.

Your idiotic predictions have taken away any credibility you ever had.

Little's stats blew? News to me.

Footwedge;1129556 wrote:Funny, funny stuff indeed. Yeah, ole Little had a pile of all pros to beat out for a job didn't he? And why didn't he play his senior year? Oh that's right, he's a slimeball. But he makes up for it by leading the league in dropped passes.

Happy for you that you can find a silver lining in that cesspool you call wide receiver.

Look in the mirror if you want to see a clueless Browns fan. I've watched Browns football since 1960....and was at the 64 title game. I've forgotten more about Browns football then you'll ever learn.

"oh I watched the browns for years, so I know more about team's new regime that has nothing to do with the 64 title game"

You are clueless if you think Little isn't going to be a good receiver, and even more clueless to give up on him after one season.

Footwedge;1129573 wrote:I didn't take a stab at anyone until my opinion was singled out here. I base my opinions on stats....you know...scoreboard.

I ripped Little because his stats blew...and then I get called out for it. oh...OK.

stats don't mean shit, I am more concerned with the eye test. He passes the eye test, especially for someone who missed a year of football and then went to the NFL and started. Something Carlton Mitchell hasn't been able to do.

DeyDurkie5;1129582 wrote:stats don't mean ****, I am more concerned with the eye test. He passes the eye test, especially for someone who missed a year of football and then went to the NFL and started. Something Carlton Mitchell hasn't been able to do.

Eye test? LOL Did you say eye test? You may be onto something here. Greg Little needs his eyes examined. Not too many pro receivers have ever dropped 18 balls in one season.

And LOL at "stats don't mean shit". Only a truly delusional Browns fan would say something that dumb.

DeyDurkie5;1129581 wrote:"oh I watched the browns for years, so I know more about team's new regime that has nothing to do with the 64 title game"

You are clueless if you think Little isn't going to be a good receiver, and even more clueless to give up on him after one season.

Yeah...pair him up with Braylon. Everyone could see Braylon was the next coming. LOLOL.

Footwedge;1129596 wrote:Yeah...pair him up with Braylon. Everyone could see Braylon was the next coming. LOLOL.

That doesn't even make sense. Braylon was a pro-bowler in 2007, and I'm almost certain you were sucking his dick during that year and after it. So keep spitting bullshit.

DeyDurkie5;1129604 wrote:That doesn't even make sense. Braylon was a pro-bowler in 2007, and I'm almost certain you were sucking his **** during that year and after it. So keep spitting bull****.

:laugh:complete meltdown alert. DoubleDorkie ....take a bath and rub your balls or something. You can gaze at Braylon's football card when doing so.

like_that;1129576 wrote:Your idiotic predictions have taken away any credibility you ever had.

I'm right a lot more often than wrong....and...I dropped 18 less passes than Little did last year.

Anyone got a link for drop stats in the NFL?

Footwedge;1129621 wrote::laugh:complete meltdown alert. DoubleDorkie ....take a bath and rub your balls or something. You can gaze at Braylon's football card when doing so.

what are you talking about? I'm not melting down, merely having a convo with you. Also, doubledorkie? LOL and you had nothing to come back with on that one besides doubledorkie, rub your balls, and gaze at braylons card. Thanks for playing.

NFL QB Draft History: 2000-2011

Observations from the last 12 NFL Drafts in Regards to QBs:

In 9 of the last 12 years a QB has been taken 1st overall. The years where they weren't were 2000, 2006 and 2008. 75% of the time a QB goes #1.

FIRST QB OFF THE BOARD
When considering the 1st QB taken off the board: 8 of the last 12 have "worked out" (subjective yes, but in my view) - (67%).
The one's that didn't: David Carr 2002, Alex Smith 2005, Vince Young 2006 and JaMarcus Russell 2007. I haven't given up on Vince Young- so it could be 9 of 12 (75%).

There is nothing 100% in this business. 67-75% is the closest you will ever get to a sure thing.

SECOND QB OFF THE BOARD
When considering the 2nd QB taken off the board: 6 of 12 have worked out and if we give Locker the benefit of the doubt- that is 7 of 12 or 58%. Not bad.
The one's that didn't pan were: Giovanni Carmazzi 2000, Joey Harrington 2002, Matt Leinart 2006, Brady Quinn 2007 and Tim Tebow 2010.

THIRD QB OFF THE BOARD
Getting uglier here. Can you really say Jason Campbell panned? I would say no. I will give Blaine Gabbert the benefit of the doubt and say Kevin Kolb panned out even though it's still early. 5 of 12 QBs were good picks from the 3rd QB off the board slot.

The winners? Big Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, Kevin Kolb, Josh Freeman and Blaine Gabbert. Success rate of 42%.

The rest? Chris Redman, Quinton Quarter, Patrick Ramsey, Kyle Boller, Jason Campbell, Brian Brohm, Jimmy Clausen. Then again, Campbell is a starter- so maybe the success rate is 50%.

FOURTH QB OFF THE BOARD
Yes to Rex Grossman? Uh...ok. Yes to Colt McCoy? Chad Henne? There is not a definite "good" NFL starter that was the 4th QB off the board in the last 12 years!

The for sure No group? Tee Martin, Matt Tuiasosopo, Josh Mccown, JP Losman, Charlie Frye, Kellen Clemens, John Beck, Pat White.

Let's just be nice and say that Henne, Grossman, Mccoy and Ponder are not busts. 4 of 12 here. 33%. Eeks.

FIFTH QB OFF THE BOARD
I say yes to Marc Bulger, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, and that's it. 3 of 12. 25%.

The no group: Chris Weinke, Dave Ragone, Andrew Walter, Tarvaris Jackson, Drew Stanton, Kevin O'Connell, Steven McGee, Mike Kafka and Andy Dalton. I know its still early on Dalton.

Star-divide

So in review- here are the rough numbers depending on how you classify the draft picks working out in terms of being a quality NFL Starting QB:

1st QB off the board: 67-75% success rate

2nd QB off the board: 50-58% success rate

3rd QB off the board: 42-50% success rate

4th QB off the board: 16-33% success rate

5th QB off the board: 25-33% success rate

See a pattern here?

If the Seahawks would have drafted a QB in 2011, he would have been the 5th QB off the board barring a trade up. I know every year is different and you can't go make calls based on history, but it is interesting to note.

OTHER TIDBITS
--Of the 15 second round QBs drafted in the last 12 years, only one is a legit star: Drew Brees, and only 4 more are starters in the NFL (Tarvaris Jackson, Kevin Kolb, Chad Henne, Andy Dalton). Pretty low success rate in the 2nd round.

--If the Draft were held today, Brees would have been drafted in Round 1. In 2001 there were only 31 picks in the 1st Round and he was pick 32.

--There are nine Starting Quarterbacks (28%) in the NFL that were not drafted in Rounds 1 or 2:

Matt Hasselbeck - Rd 6
Tom Brady - Rd 6
Tony Romo- Undrafted
Matt Schaub - Rd 3
Luke Mccown - Rd 4
Kyle Orton - Rd 4
Matt Cassel - Rd 7
Ryan Fitzpatrick - Rd 7
Colt Mccoy - Rd 3

-- There are five NFL Starters that were drafted in 2004 (Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Schaub, Luke Mccown).

-- There are six NFL Starters that were drafted in 2005- most of any year (Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel and Ryan Fitzpatrick)

-- Tarvaris Jackson was the 5th QB off the board in 2006 and Charlie Whitehurst was the 6th QB off the board.

-- In three of the last twelve years, four QBs have been drafted in Round 1: 2003, 2004 and 2011.

-- In four of the last twelve years, three QBs have been drafted in Round 1: 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2009.

-- 18 of 32 NFL Starters were 1st rd Draft Picks- or 56%.

-- There have been 32 QBs drafted in Round 1 in the last 12 years for an average of 2.67 per year.


http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/9/22/2440651/nfl-qb-draft-history-michael-vick-peyton-manning-tom-brady

I don't find Spergon Wynn in those stats, is he a hit or miss?

Commander of Awesome;1129630 wrote:Anyone got a link for drop stats in the NFL?

I've already posted them. Use your google button.

Footwedge;1129736 wrote:I've already posted them. Use your google button.

Greg Little had 709 yards on 69 catches. As a rookie. On an offense with no other real threats and a shaky at best QB situation.

How in the fuck can you bash that guy? Not only did he perform very well as a WR after missing a year of action, but he wasn't afraid to mix it up with the opposing defense by laying some serious blocks freeing up his teammates.

Greg Little is going to be a beat. A great #2 WR at worst, IMO. He has size, speed, and the toughness to be very good.

Commander of Awesome;1129630 wrote:Anyone got a link for drop stats in the NFL?

Yes, and it wasn't 18 passes...

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2011&range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/blog.cfm/dropped-pass-leaders-are-these-butterfingers-worth-an-early-round-selection

SportsAndLady;1129544 wrote:Whatever you say Mark McGuire

OMG, OMG..SO original AND funny. It's NO wonder someone who comes off as such a punk ass pussy got his ass kicked down at Ohio University. :laugh: That was you who took that beatdown, correct? Should've filed a grievance with the "little peoples union." Not surprised you took an ass whoopin'. I'm sure you mouthed off to someone...:rolleyes:

Interesting. Trade down to 6 and still get Claiborne or is this where they target Tannehill? I still don't trade with this guys unless they are willing to bleed...

http://networkedblogs.com/vIgkF

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/don_banks/03/23/2012.mock.draft.3/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

Footwedge;1129573 wrote:I didn't take a stab at anyone until my opinion was singled out here. I base my opinions on stats....you know...scoreboard.

I ripped Little because his stats blew...and then I get called out for it. oh...OK.

Wasnt directed at you. It was directed at S&L

Commander of Awesome;1129814 wrote:http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/don_banks/03/23/2012.mock.draft.3/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a0

I would be all aboard a Blackmon and Martin combo. That draft has some people rising and falling I haven't seen yet. Like Massy, Poe going up. Richardson Kirpatrick going down.

BR1986FB;1129786 wrote:Yes, and it wasn't 18 passes...

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2011&range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/blog.cfm/dropped-pass-leaders-are-these-butterfingers-worth-an-early-round-selection

What determines a dropped pass? The NFL misses the mark on it imo. I remember Braylon Hardesty's game vs the titans, they only listed him as 3 drops, and he sure as hell had more than 3.

like_that;1129847 wrote:What determines a dropped pass? The NFL misses the mark on it imo. I remember Braylon Hardesty's game vs the titans, they only listed him as 3 drops, and he sure as hell had more than 3.

Not sure but they must all be using the same criteria because every one has Little with 12 drops. Oh and BTW, no reference to you but that Roddy White guy, who lead the league with 15 drops, really sucks and I wouldn't want him on my team. Dwayne Bowe either (with 12)...:rolleyes:

like_that;1129847 wrote:What determines a dropped pass? The NFL misses the mark on it imo. I remember Braylon Hardesty's game vs the titans, they only listed him as 3 drops, and he sure as hell had more than 3.

When they pass you the ball and you drop it.
Hope this helps.