IggyPride00;1129379 wrote:I wonder what changed in Berea in the past 3 weeks that we went from McCoy/Wallace having a QB competition at camp along with an outside person to be brought in to now McCoy being the defacto starter according to Shumur today as reported by Tony Grossi.

Wallace may need to be cut at this point because he is going to be a cancer if he doesn't feel like he was given a legit shot to win the job as Holmgren seemed to suggest earlier this off-season. He hasn't been helpful mentoring Colt, and the last thing this locker room needs is a malcontent who feels jipped.

Bud Shaw ‏ @
budshaw
# Browns say they have
faith Colt McCoy will be a very good QB...Interest in RG3 was apparently only as
a backup...


Bud Shaw ‏ @
budshaw
# Browns say they're
"fine" with McCoy...a stronger word is "happy"...stronger yet "thrilled."
Married people know what "fine" really means

lol... RG3 "only as a back-up"

Riiiiiight.

BR1986FB;1129384 wrote:Bud Shaw ‏ @
budshaw
# Browns say they have
faith Colt McCoy will be a very good QB...Interest in RG3 was apparently only as
a backup...


Bud Shaw ‏ @
budshaw
# Browns say they're
"fine" with McCoy...a stronger word is "happy"...stronger yet "thrilled."
Married people know what "fine" really means

SMFH.

Sonofanump;1129391 wrote:SMFH.

They don't see him (McCoy) as the long term answer but unless they are trading for Hasselbeck as a stopgap and drafting Tannehill, I'm trying to figure out where they are going with this.

BR1986FB;1129392 wrote:They don't see him (McCoy) as the long term answer but unless they are trading for Hasselbeck as a stopgap and drafting Tannehill, I'm trying to figure out where they are going with this.

3-13.

Mccoy will be a good, maybe even great starter this year. He will learn the offense, and they have already said they are drafting offense with the first two picks. That will give him some weapons to work with, and with an improved line and grasp of how fast the game is, he will be balling out.

Sonofanump;1129394 wrote:3-13.

Well that, or worse, is gonna happen if they stay the course and just draft playmakers to surround McCoy with.

The schedule is going to be brutal. I expect the defense to regress this year even with added pieces. Instead of facing the Painter's, Gabbert's, Henne's, etc they will be facing Eli Manning, Romo, Vick, Peyton Manning, etc. That 3-13 may be optimistic.

DeyDurkie5;1129395 wrote:Mccoy will be a good, maybe even great starter this year. He will learn the offense, and they have already said they are drafting offense with the first two picks. That will give him some weapons to work with, and with an improved line and grasp of how fast the game is, he will be balling out.

Man, I bet I could sell you a bag of "magic" beans.

BR1986FB;1129392 wrote:They don't see him (McCoy) as the long term answer but unless they are trading for Hasselbeck as a stopgap and drafting Tannehill, I'm trying to figure out where they are going with this.

Position themselves to draft Barkley next season.

BR1986FB;1129399 wrote:Man, I bet I could sell you a bag of "magic" beans.

Mccoy isn't facing those quarterbacks, our soon to be top 10 defense will be facing those quarterbacks. So that argument goes out the window. Are you forgetting we had a top 10 defense?

like_that;1129172 wrote:If Little catches the ball, he can be a beast.

LOL. Call Jay...He could use some new material. Oh yeah....and if I didn't make such a crappy salary, I'd be rich!! If I didn't eat $hitloads of food, I'd be skinny!!

DeyDurkie5;1129395 wrote:Mccoy will be a good, maybe even great starter this year. He will learn the offense, and they have already said they are drafting offense with the first two picks. That will give him some weapons to work with, and with an improved line and grasp of how fast the game is, he will be balling out.

No chance McCoy is "great" this year. I can see him having a good year though if the offensive weapons we get through the draft pan out. Also I literally lold reading that only interested in rg3 as a back up garbage.

Footwedge;1129417 wrote:LOL. Call Jay...He could use some new material. Oh yeah....and if I didn't make such a crappy salary, I'd be rich!! If I didn't eat $hitloads of food, I'd be skinny!!

He has the tools to be playmaker, not surprised that went over your head though. Now please enlighten us with your always great to lol at Cleveland predictions. Do you think the Browns should win 10 games again like last year? The Cavs were easily going to make the playoffs last year too right?

Browns fans are the worst. I'm convincced that only 10% of these fans are actually logical in their fanhood.


Take a guy like footwedge for example. Ripping on a player who hadn't played the year before he was drafted, coming into the nfl and being a starter immediately, at one of the hardest positions to learn, and actually performing decently at times. I just will never understand people sometimes.

DeyDurkie5;1129405 wrote:Mccoy isn't facing those quarterbacks, our soon to be top 10 defense will be facing those quarterbacks. So that argument goes out the window. Are you forgetting we had a top 10 defense?

Are you forgetting the QB's our defense faced? They were a middle of the pack defense last year. "But, but, but our pass defense was LEGIT!" Who has to pass when you can RUN ALL DAY on one of the most porous run defenses in the NFL? Things aren't always as they seem. The defense will regress this year.

Greg Little will be fine.

BR1986FB;1129446 wrote:Are you forgetting the QB's our defense faced? They were a middle of the pack defense last year. "But, but, but our pass defense was LEGIT!" Who has to pass when you can RUN ALL DAY on one of the most porous run defenses in the NFL? Things aren't always as they seem. The defense will regress this year.

the defense will not regress. They will improve. Who did we lose from that defense? No one. Are you even a fan of the browns?

[video=youtube;wGfLFmlU8zo][/video]

vball10set;1129453 wrote:[video=youtube;wGfLFmlU8zo][/video]

posted like 2 pages back

BR1986FB;1129446 wrote:Are you forgetting the QB's our defense faced? They were a middle of the pack defense last year. "But, but, but our pass defense was LEGIT!" Who has to pass when you can RUN ALL DAY on one of the most porous run defenses in the NFL? Things aren't always as they seem. The defense will regress this year.

The defense has been getting better every year since Heckert has been here. They have been a top half defense in pts allowed (ultimately what it comes down to) since Heckert has been here. Let's not forget a defense with less talent faced QBs such as Drew Brees and Tom Brady and did fairly well. The defense is just going to be better. Maybe their stats will regress because they face tougher QBs, but not that much, sorry. The NFC East QBs aren't what you are making them out to be, ESPECIALLY Romo and Vick.

That video is classic!

DeyDurkie5;1129452 wrote:the defense will not regress. They will improve. Who did we lose from that defense? No one. Are you even a fan of the browns?

LOL...Why, because I'm not a nuthugging blind homer? I watch and I evaluate.

If you think that was a legit "top 10 defense" with the schedule they faced last year you don't know shit about football. Has the defense improved? Yes...but it's far from legit.

Their ranking was not what it seemed. Teams aren't putting up ridiculous point totals because they are RUNNING the ball, which eats clock. If teams wanted to light up that defense through the air, they could AT WILL, but they had NO need to..

Look at what Hasselbeck & the Titans did last year. Chris Johnson was slow out of the gate so they aired it out. Lit up the Browns like an Xmas tree. Other teams just ran it.

[h=1]Browns' Pat Shurmur: Read and React[/h]March, 27, 2012Mar 27
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By Jamison Hensley

The AFC coaches met with the media Tuesday at the NFL owners meetings. Here are five issues addressed by Cleveland Browns coach Pat Shumur and my reaction:

On whether Shumur wants running back by committee or a featured back: "I think you make the running back position a little bit what you have available to you. If you have one of those feature guys, I think he's out there quite a bit. I think it's fair to say in this league it's hard to play 16 games with just one guy. I think that position has gotten to where you need two and sometimes three guys to come in and be productive. That may be just the nature of where it's going in this league." Hensley's reaction: In other words, if the Browns draft Trent Richardson, they will have a featured back. If they are left with the likes of Cedric Benson, Montario Hardesty and Brandon Jackson, it will be a running back by committee.

On the Browns' wide receiver group: "First off, if we can get Greg [Little] to develop. He battled through last year and did some fine things. If we can get him to develop his consistency, which happens between Year 1 and 2. Jordan Norwood did some good things for us. Think for a moment about how you'd use the running backs, use a few of them. That would be the same at wide receiver. Josh Cribbs, I think of him as an outstanding special teams players that is a very productive receiver. It's proven he has some of his best games in our biggest games. Mo Massaquoi. He started the year with some nagging injuries and I think it affected him. Not that he didn't battle through, but it affected him. We couldn't see the best of Mo last year because of that. I'd like to sit down and see what Carlton Mitchell can bring to the table. Very fast and tall. He got in to games and made a couple of plays last year. We have to see if he can develop to the point of being a trustworthy guy." Hensley's reaction: This is a group filled with No. 2 and No. 3 receivers. If the Browns don't address this position in the first round, this will be among the worst wide receiver group in the NFL once again.

On whether a rookie could start at right tackle: "I think he could. I think you'd expect him to play in a way [right guard Jason] Pinkston did last year. Again, we're talking about a guy that needs to improve. But he went in and probably performed at a higher level than I expected." Hensley's reaction: The Browns could get value on an offensive tackle early in the second round. The name that is getting thrown around is Mississippi's Bobby Massie.

On why the run defense failed despite good play from both defensive tackles and middle linebacker D'Qwell Jackson: "Stopping the run is gap control. The ball can go a lot of different places, regardless of where it starts. We need to do a better job of making sure we secure the other places, as well. I think some of the areas we're very good in is preventing the good, and that is the essence of good defense. That's what you're looking to do." Hensley's reaction: The Browns made some strides in their run defense when they signed free agent Frostee Rucker. Upgrading at outside linebacker would also help a defense that allowed 147 yards rushing per game.

On if there is any decision that Shurmur regrets as a first-year head coach: "One regret? Oh boy. I'd have to put a little thought into that. I've obviously thought about a lot of things. There's some things that I'll never do again, but I'll keep those things private." Hensley's reaction: Here's hoping that pitch play to Armond Smith on fourth-and-one is among those things that Shurmur will never do again. What would be on everyone else's list on this topic?


http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/44819/browns-pat-shurmur-read-and-react

BR1986FB;1129464 wrote:LOL...Why, because I'm not a nuthugging blind homer? I watch and I evaluate.

If you think that was a legit "top 10 defense" with the schedule they faced last year you don't know shit about football. Has the defense improved? Yes...but it's far from legit.

Their ranking was not what it seemed. Teams aren't putting up ridiculous point totals because they are RUNNING the ball, which eats clock. If teams wanted to light up that defense through the air, they could AT WILL, but they had NO need to..

Look at what Hasselbeck & the Titans did last year. Chris Johnson was slow out of the gate so they aired it out. Lit up the Browns like an Xmas tree. Other teams just ran it.

so you are basing their defense on a bunch of what ifs? What about the 2 4th down stops on the half yard line that stopped a touchdown? That makes them good to me, considering you are basing their entire pass defense on one game. You see and evaluate? Then how did you not see the browns defense improving every year and being a top 15 defense? "oh because IF they threw, they POSSIBLY could destroy their defense."

you don't watch and evaluate, you watch with a pessimistic mind and don't see what's being formed.

DeyDurkie5;1129475 wrote:so you are basing their defense on a bunch of what ifs? What about the 2 4th down stops on the half yard line that stopped a touchdown? That makes them good to me, considering you are basing their entire pass defense on one game. You see and evaluate? Then how did you not see the browns defense improving every year and being a top 15 defense? "oh because IF they threw, they POSSIBLY could destroy their defense."

you don't watch and evaluate, you watch with a pessimistic mind and don't see what's being formed.

"Top 15 defense?" See my comment about "middle of the pack." A "top 15 defense", with 32 teams in the league is "middle of the pack." I'll give them that but they are not this great "top 10 defense" like you're making them out to be.