OQB;1120638 wrote:wow that's crazy.


ok back to Browns.

Real talk. I can't wait til the drafts here so all these rumors and speculations stop and we can talk real football.

like_that;1120641 wrote:The Browns played every division rival close. If it wasn't for a fluke play in week 1, they would have had a win against the division too

So your optimism stems from the fact that we almost didn't go 0-6 against the division last year?

I don't think they'll be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, but 10 wins would be much more surprising than 3 wins to me.

Mulva;1120649 wrote:So your optimism stems from the fact that we almost didn't go 0-6 against the division last year?

I don't think they'll be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, but 10 wins would be much more surprising than 3 wins to me.

No, the point was most division rivals play each other tough.

I am not that optimistic, sure as hell don't think we will win 10, but I am also not as depressing as a lot of posters here. Some of you guys are making it out like the Browns will struggle to win 1 game.

like_that;1120641 wrote:So? The Browns beat the Saints and Pats 2 seasons ago. That really didn't mean shit going into this past season.

The Browns played every division rival close. If it wasn't for a fluke play in week 1, they would have had a win against the division too.

I think you need to take a break from listening to Cleveland radio. It seems to work you up.

WTF are you talking about 'Cleveland radio?' Just because I'm not being the "ultimate homer" and I think this coming season is going to be bleak it's "Cleveland radio?"

Look at the FUCKING schedule. This team was HISTORICALLY bad on offense, they look like they are going to sit on their hands in FA in areas where they COULD add affordable starters (RT/vet WR like a Smith or Doucet), a bunch of "green" rookies are going to just step in, set the world on fire and be our "saviors" AND they are playing a MUCH more difficult schedule? Think I have some magic beans to sell you.

If it makes you feel better, I think the Bengals are going to come back down to Earth, in a BIG way, this year. As a matter of fact, I could see the division winner being around 9-7.

It's quiet pathetic. Letting one position cloud their judgement of the whole team.

DeyDurkie5;1120662 wrote:It's quiet pathetic..

No...we're making PLENTY of noise about it.

BR1986FB;1120668 wrote:No...we're making PLENTY of noise about it.

haha touche

DeyDurkie5;1120662 wrote:It's quiet pathetic. Letting one position cloud their judgement of the whole team.

Durk its not one position though. Its qb, rb, 2 wr, rt, 2 olb, s, c. I know I know its year 3 of 5. And I still think we will suck next year. We couldn't score 17 points on offense last year.

Real question how many 300 yard games does Mccoy have in the nfl?

BR1986FB;1120661 wrote:WTF are you talking about 'Cleveland radio?' Just because I'm not being the "ultimate homer" and I think this coming season is going to be bleak it's "Cleveland radio?"

Look at the FUCKING schedule. This team was HISTORICALLY bad on offense, they look like they are going to sit on their hands in FA in areas where they COULD add affordable starters (RT/vet WR like a Smith or Doucet), a bunch of "green" rookies are going to just step in, set the world on fire and be our "saviors" AND they are playing a MUCH more difficult schedule? Think I have some magic beans to sell you.

If it makes you feel better, I think the Bengals are going to come back down to Earth, in a BIG way, this year. As a matter of fact, I could see the division winner being around 9-7.

Cleveland media is jaded. When you read, listen to, watch these jaded journalists all the time, it tends to make you bitter. I see it in many Cleveland fans who live in northeast ohio. It seems the Browns fans outside of northeast ohio are not as bitter, because they don't have to listen to dumbfucks like Rizzo QQ every day, and make something more than it really is. "OMG Heckert said such and such, he doesn't give a fuck about the Browns, he is just collecting a paycheck!!!!" "QQ Holmgren was being a rude prick to the caller, he doesn't care about Cleveland fans and their feelings!!!" That's the cleveland media in a nutshell.

Also, who the hell are the "ultimate homers" here? Deydurkie is the only one here who has been predicting a good season. If you look at his track record he has been predicting playoffs every year, so I tend to think his predictions are mostly in jest, but if the Browns do somehow pull off a good year, he will gloat about how he "called it." lol.

You guys are getting depressed over nothing. Heckert said don't expect much in FA, you guys knew damn well they weren't going to make a splash, so why cry about it now?

like_that;1120675 wrote:Cleveland media is jaded. When you read, listen to, watch these jaded journalists all the time, it tends to make you bitter. I see it in many Cleveland fans who live in northeast ohio. It seems the Browns fans outside of northeast ohio are not as bitter, because they don't have to listen to dumbfucks like Rizzo QQ every day, and make something more than it really is. "OMG Heckert said such and such, he doesn't give a fuck about the Browns, he is just collecting a paycheck!!!!" "QQ Holmgren was being a rude prick to the caller, he doesn't care about Cleveland fans and their feelings!!!" That's the cleveland media in a nutshell.

I don't need the Cleveland media to tell me that the Browns need a new starting QB, 2 WR's, a starting RB, likely 2 starting O-Linemen, an OLB and a safety or corner (depending on what they do with Sheldon Brown) to be make some noise in their division. That's 8 players. Right now, they have 9 draft picks. I highly doubt Heckert will hit on ALL 9 with them being impact starters. Then...all I have to do is look at the schedule with all of these holes and the optimism isn't exactly there. I don't need any media personality to point out these OBVIOUS issues. And that's not even taking into account how HISTORICALLY anemic this offense was.

I would say we are 4-12 as we sit now, but with HasselGOAT, I would say 16-3.

wes_mantooth;1120687 wrote:I would say we are 4-12 as we sit now, but with HasselGOAT, I would say 16-3.

I'd up the win total from 1 to about 6 or 7 with him.

wes_mantooth;1120687 wrote:I would say we are 4-12 as we sit now, but with HasselGOAT, I would say 16-3.

HasselGLASS wouldn't make it thru a season playing for the Browns.

So how about we try to trade for Jonathan Stewart if the Panthers sign Tolbert? I don't know why they would rather have Tolbert over Stewart, but I would gladly deal a third round pick for JStew!

Dr. KnOiTaLL;1120959 wrote:, but I would gladly deal a third round pick for JStew!

I would gladly do that too

Now you guys have McCoy or nothing, as Flynn signed with the Seahawks.

Is David Garrad available, I'd rather have him than Hasselbach.

Sonofanump;1121059 wrote:Is David Garrad available, I'd rather have him than Hasselbach.

Yes...believe he's scheduled to meet with Miami

Forget Flynnsanity Cleveland
		By Don Delco OBR Browns Reporter Posted Mar 19, 2012 Flynn seems poised to make the transition from a backup, who learned from the likes of Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers, to a starting quarterback in the NFL 1 Comment
Earlier this week, there were conflicting reports that Cleveland Browns were in contract talks with Green Bay Packers free agent quarterback Matt Flynn. A few days later, Flynn visited with the Seattle Seahawks followed by the Miami Dolphins. Cleveland was not on Flynn’s travel itinerary. The Browns appear indifferent with Flynn at this point. Is that the right decision? Our colleague, Zac Jackson of FoxSportsOhio.com, wrote that the Browns do need to get Flynn. “The Browns could sign Flynn now and then shape a specific plan for how to proceed and find a pass rusher, secondary depth, a right tackle and some skill guys,” Jackson wrote. “Being the only team to start the League Year with no sure answer at quarterback, running back or wide receiver is a tough spot.” The Browns did try to solidify the quarterback spot, but their attempt to trade up to draft Robert Griffin III failed. A few days later, the Browns’ brass sounded as if they were content with either Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace as the team’s signal caller in 2012. If Griffin III was Plan A, why isn’t Matt Flynn Plan B? Combined, McCoy and Wallace have 40 more NFL starts than Flynn, but it is hard to ignore what Flynn did in his two starts — 55-for-81 passing for 537 yards with nine touchdowns and two interceptions. Flynn seems poised to make the transition from a backup, who learned from the likes of Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers, to a starting quarterback in the NFL. Yet one thing bothers me: He was a seventh round draft pick. Bill Huber, who covers the Packers for Scout.com’s Packers Report, asked Flynn about that last season. “I wondered if any point did that make him think this isn’t going to work,” Huber said. “How many national championship quarterbacks from the SEC go in the seventh round? He said ‘no’ and that he has the utmost confidence he could play at this level. “He’s not cocky, but confident.” When you look at the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks over the past 10 years or so, the majority of quarterbacks were taken in the first or early second rounds, with a few exceptions like Kurt Warner or Tom Brady. The odds say Flynn is not the exception to the rule. Moreover, the price tag Flynn will command is steep and with three picks in the top 37, the Browns may be allocating their money wisely. Whichever camp you reside in — McCoy just needs more talent, Matt Flynn, another QB to be determined later — the Browns need to solidify that position. It does not appear that the team has settled on that position with McCoy. One common theme of Super Bowl winning teams over the past decade or so is that they are solidified at that position. The sooner the Browns can arrive at that decision, the better for the sake of the franchise. This time, it does not appear Matt Flynn is the answer for Cleveland. Flynn could be the next Scott Mitchell or the next Matt Schaub. We won’t arrive at that answer with Flynn wearing orange and brown. But if your like to play your percentages and look at the amount of high-drafted quarterbacks win Super Bowls, the Browns are making the right decision by not pursuing Flynn.

Sounds like Cleveland may not be the only city with this perceived problem...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/ryan-clark-says-no-one-wants-to-join-the-dolphins/

Eh I don't buy into that, money talks, and if you're in the playoffs the season before also helps. Phins play in a tough division and don't have a QB. Thus FAs don't want to go there.

BR1986FB;1121069 wrote:Sounds like Cleveland may not be the only city with this perceived problem...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/ryan-clark-says-no-one-wants-to-join-the-dolphins/

Commander of Awesome;1121070 wrote:Eh I don't buy into that, money talks, and if you're in the playoffs the season before also helps. Phins play in a tough division and don't have a QB. Thus FAs don't want to go there.

It's pretty simple, start winning, and they will come.

Plus, as BR has even acknowledged, Browns weren't active in FA this offseason at all. Are FAs supposed to come here, draw up the deals themselves, and then sign them? They can't come here if Heckert isn't being active in trying to bring them.

Commander of Awesome;1121073 wrote:Plus, as BR has even acknowledged, Browns weren't active in FA this offseason at all. Are FAs supposed to come here, draw up the deals themselves, and then sign them? They can't come here if Heckert isn't being active in trying to bring them.

I'm getting the impression that they HAD planned on being fairly active (early) in FA, especially at the WR position. When teams like Washington started throwing ridiculous money at guys like Garcon, they were shellshocked and just backed off. From what I've heard, the money that was thrown at some of these guys is unprecedented.

BR1986FB;1121075 wrote:I'm getting the impression that they HAD planned on being fairly active (early) in FA, especially at the WR position. When teams like Washington started throwing ridiculous money at guys like Garcon, they were shellshocked and just backed off. From what I've heard, the money that was thrown at some of these guys is unprecedented.

And idiotic.

I really don't think they were planning on hitting the FA that much though. When FA first began, there were reports how the Browns didn't even contact anybody yet.